Everybody Hates Ramuh (and why the fight needs reworking)

I actually love the fight as it is, but I can't find DPS who are smart enough to do its mechanics (STOP TAKING THE ORBS THAT THE TANK NEEDS).

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Originally Posted by Ghasto

I actually love the fight as it is, but I can't find DPS who are smart enough to do its mechanics (STOP TAKING THE ORBS THAT THE TANK NEEDS).

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This is where communication wins the fight. Someone in the group can use macros/voice to tell the others in the group whether they are to be reserved or eaten.

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Originally Posted by Kiokin

The primary stats from the HA rings being 110 trumps any gain you might get from having better secondary stats on an i100 ring.

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False. For tanks the Noct Ring and the Unweathered Noct Ring are considered BiS by many. The high allagan doesn't have good side stats. You take all of a 3vit hit for far better stats.

Add Sands of time to Ramuh's loot table. Problem solved.

He's pretty easy.

The reward are pretty terrible yeah, sadly iLevel makes content dead on arrival.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

False. For tanks the Noct Ring and the Unweathered Noct Ring are considered BiS by many. The high allagan doesn't have good side stats. You take all of a 3vit hit for far better stats.

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Parry & Det are shit, apparently.

This was SEs perfect opportunity to use an odd item level. If rings and weapons were i105 people would be spamming the fight.

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Originally Posted by Hali

Parry & Det are shit, apparently.

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That's not what I said. I don't appreciate having words put in my mouth. I said they are considered BiS. Rings generally have low stats. If the weathered noct rings acc is enough I can swap another piece out on my left side and the potential gain in useful stats can be greater over all. It's about the bigger picture. Not one individual piece.

Find this post funny, pretty sure the ring is BIS for scholars atm cause ya know..crit..same for tank rings…oh and the weapons look badass. The glamourer in me is like..
oh shhhittt must have..XD and it's not an easy fight by any means. I've cleared it a couple of times and it makes me cry how often people can fail at just standing around. It's hard in it's simplicity really. Complain less plz ty.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

That's not what I said. I don't appreciate having words put in my mouth. I said they are considered BiS. Rings generally have low stats. If the weathered noct rings acc is enough I can swap another piece out on my left side and the potential gain in useful stats can be greater over all. It's about the bigger picture. Not one individual piece.

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^ This. Some people just can't see past BiS.

I don't know if they hate him, but I have basically given up trying to train on Ramuh EX because training parties take forever to fill. It's like no one wants to fight him (or maybe they're avoiding me lol).

IMO the fight is not hard, but the rewards sucks. Wish they were at the least i102 or i105.

according to the new theory crafting the sub stats is so that its better than sold rings if you don't need the acc, at least bard's. http://ffxiv.ariyala.com click on bis solver.

People who don't know the mechanics die. That wipes the group just having 1 person die (in pugs.) People rage quit. Pug disbanded. The only surefire way to complete this is with your coil group..... If you have one that is.

You are not everyone please don't speak for me.

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Originally Posted by CrystalRainbow

You are not everyone please don't speak for me.

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You haven't cleared Extreme Titan, Ifrit, Leviathan, Moogle, let alone Ramuh. If you have nothing useful to contribute, don't troll my thread thank you.

It's quite hilarious seeing the responses from all "it's so easy/you're just bad/I can do this in i87!" people.
Cause then I go to their lodestone profiles and they all have high allagan weapons and mostly i110 gear which further proves my point that this fight is not meant for people to gear up with, but becomes useless for those in mostly i110. Also the naysayers are all wearing high allagan rings instead of Ramuh rings which only further proves my point. ಠ_ಠ

We farmed this fight for three hours the other night. I didn't find anything wrong at all with it honestly. Once in a while the RNG would get use sure, but really it isn't a hard fight and frankly I enjoy it. Def. more than Titan EX. We have two melee at times too and still little issues. Sorry you dislike it, but not all of us feel that way.

As for the rewards, I loved the ring on my summoner. 17 crit and 9 det is def. better than 2 more int and useless spell speed. As for the weapon, as someone who isn't about to spend 1300 sol. tomes on another weapon any time soon or get a levi sword + mirror it's a fantastic weapon.

Really the rewards depend on what you play, and with 9 jobs that's a lot of gear to spread around.

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if I was already over accuracy cap and wouldn't fall below the 515

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492 is the accuracy if you dont hit from the front ...

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Originally Posted by Nukocafe

It's quite hilarious seeing the responses from all "it's so easy/you're just bad/I can do this in i87!" people.
Cause then I go to their lodestone profiles and they all have high allagan weapons and mostly i110 gear which further proves my point that this fight is not meant for people to gear up with, but becomes useless for those in mostly i110. Also the naysayers are all wearing high allagan rings instead of Ramuh rings which only further proves my point. ಠ_ಠ

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Feel free to check my lodestone. I've cleared Ramuh with an animus bow, no high allagan, only 1 unweathered which is my tabard. My ilvl is 97 and guess what? I pugged it. It took us 1 and a half hour but we didn't give up.
I still stand by what I said earlier in this thread around page 3 or 4. It's the easiest primal. People need to get better.

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Originally Posted by Sygmaelle

492 is the accuracy if you dont hit from the front ...

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There are times during t9 where you have to attack from the front.

Ramuh not offering rewards on par with the Hunt and not even being a step up from what his pre-requisite fights gave is a blatant design flaw, regardless of the subjective experience of difficulty in the fight. I don't see how people can contest this.

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Originally Posted by ClaireAbigail

Feel free to check my lodestone. I've cleared Ramuh with an animus bow, no high allagan, only 1 unweathered which is my tabard. My ilvl is 97 and guess what? I pugged it. It took us 1 and a half hour but we didn't give up.
I still stand by what I said earlier in this thread around page 3 or 4. It's the easiest primal. People need to get better.

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Congrats you cleared Ramuh as a ranged DPS! What a shocker! Now let's re-read my post where I'm complaining about the main issue being melee dps adding to the difficulty of passing the DPS checks.
Also did you clear it using Titan-egi as your tank? Cause that doesn't count.

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Originally Posted by Nukocafe

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Check the lodestone again to see the date I got the achievement (7/16/14) the patched fixed it already, no more Titan egi tank. And stop making excuses first you're saying ALL nay sayers have high allagan and/or t9. Now you're whining that melee dps have it hard! So ridiculous...even if you have half a brain you'd know that the thunder shock around the outer field ONLY happens after the thunder strike I mean seeing those huge thunder circles should give warnings in your head to get out of the water quickly. Still people need to get better. It's an easy fight. Oh and the purple line thing is easy to avoid too it was fun to be honest it reminded me of ultima and sunken temple's last boss.

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Originally Posted by Nukocafe

You haven't cleared Extreme Titan, Ifrit, Leviathan, Moogle, let alone Ramuh. If you have nothing useful to contribute, don't troll my thread thank you.
Cause then I go to their lodestone profiles and they all have high allagan weapons and mostly i110 gear which further proves my point that this fight is not meant for people to gear up with, but becomes useless for those in mostly i110. Also the naysayers are all wearing high allagan rings instead of Ramuh rings which only further proves my point. ಠ_ಠ

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Can you address the part where I stated that a 1000dps check is possible with all dps in i90? Thanks also maybe stop making excuses for bad DPS.

Not just possible, but really easy. Benchmark DPS for all jobs in i90 is at least 300. Someone last night claimed that 3dps is impossible and I laughed as we carried yet another client with only 3 DPS.

Please SE I beg of you...do not nerf Ramuh Ex in any way.

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Originally Posted by Nukocafe

Everybody Hates Ramuh

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I don't. 'nuff said. Fight is fine, it's not all about the loot but also about the accomplishment. What's wrong with enjoying the game content without a shiny sword? If it doesn't drop something that appeals to you, fine. Don't do the content. Some people want a challenge and not have stuff just handed to us.

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Originally Posted by Nukocafe

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● ITS VERY HARD TO SEE. Maybe this is part of the mechanic, I don't know, but I thought we took a great step forward by making ground AOEs a lot easier to see. Now with Ramuh, the blue lightning circles on the ground & around players are very difficult to see. On top of that, the purple lightning sparks between the ads are so thin and quick, its hard to tell where you should go to dodge! It's similar to ultima weapon, but it was very easy to see the lasers in Ultima HM. In Ramuh ex, I try to move around in hopes I don't end up in the midst of a 3 way ad lightning crossover.

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You need to upgrade your skills and raid awareness then. The add's thunderbolt aren't that tough to see, including thunderstorm's circle AoE. When we cleared Ramuh, we didn't understand every mechanic - we didn't really understood how charm chooses its target, we suspected it is distance related but we weren't 100% sure. It was still early patch when we just managed to unlock Ramuh EX after the patch rush. But we still deal with the fight and cleared it.

It is a hint that more of such fights are to come. SV Hard is also one of them, where you have to open your eyes and stop relying on obvious, big fat ground AoE indicator to tell you what you should do.

EDIT: QFT for the below

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Originally Posted by ClaireAbigail

And stop making excuses first you're saying ALL nay sayers have high allagan and/or t9. Now you're whining that melee dps have it hard! So ridiculous...even if you have half a brain you'd know that the thunder shock around the outer field ONLY happens after the thunder strike I mean seeing those huge thunder circles should give warnings in your head to get out of the water quickly. Still people need to get better. It's an easy fight. Oh and the purple line thing is easy to avoid too it was fun to be honest it reminded me of ultima and sunken temple's last boss.

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Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser

Can you address the part where I stated that a 1000dps check is possible with all dps in i90? Thanks also maybe stop making excuses for bad DPS.

Not just possible, but really easy. Benchmark DPS for all jobs in i90 is at least 300. Someone last night claimed that 3dps is impossible and I laughed as we carried yet another client with only 3 DPS.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

SV Hard is also one of them,

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Yes because Stone Vigil is SO DIFFICULT compared to Ramuh ex! Such a great comparison!

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Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser

Benchmark DPS for all jobs in i90 is at least 300. Someone last night claimed that 3dps is impossible and I laughed as we carried yet another client with only 3 DPS.

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Thanks for confirming that you parse! In other news, your opinion is invalidated by the fact that your ilvl is 110 and you have enough DPS that you can sell/carry others.
I don't care about people like you who are overgeared for the fight. My concern is the fight is for people who are ilvl 90~100 who are trying to "gear up" and its very difficult to clear the fight within that ilvl.
(But of course you didn't read that part of my post lol)

It is so ironic that you're accusing other people of not reading the words on the screen. You're sad.

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Originally Posted by Nukocafe

Yes because Stone Vigil is SO DIFFICULT compared to Ramuh ex! Such a great comparison!


Thanks for confirming that you parse!

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lmao @ thinking you need to "parse" to have a general idea of the average dps hit in a second

Adds are 20,000 health (which can be confirmed in your battle log), there are 6. 120,000 health/120 seconds = 1000dps needed. You learned this math in 4th grade hopefully.

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Originally Posted by Nukocafe

Yes because Stone Vigil is SO DIFFICULT compared to Ramuh ex! Such a great comparison!

My concern is the fight is for people who are ilvl 90~100 who are trying to "gear up" and its very difficult to clear the fight within that ilvl.
(But of course you didn't read that part of my post lol)

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First off, stop accusing people that they don't read because you seem to not read as well. Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black.

Secondly. I'm damn ilvl 97 and I had little problems on that fight. My whm who is ilvl 93 didn't have problem learning the fight. Please stop thinking that everyone is incompetent and incapable of thinking.

Lastly, in the SV hm last boss, all he was saying is that they probably foreshadow incoming mechanics on the next primal fight which is shiva.

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Originally Posted by Nukocafe

I don't care about people like you who are overgeared for the fight. My concern is the fight is for people who are ilvl 90~100 who are trying to "gear up" and its very difficult to clear the fight within that ilvl.

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W-wow. A-almost like its an...EXTREME primal or something...almost like...it's a level harder than "hard mode"...

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Originally Posted by Seibah

W-wow. A-almost like its an...EXTREME primal or something...almost like...it's a level harder than "hard mode"...

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Yea and guess what? It can be hard, but the rewards for the difficulty are crappy & pointless...and obvious point you seem to be missing from my entire original post.

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Originally Posted by ClaireAbigail

My whm who is ilvl 93

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Your white mage doesn't DPS during the ads phase. And if they do, awesome, but your main role is to heal.

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Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser

Adds are 20,000 health (which can be confirmed in your battle log), there are 6. 120,000 health/120 seconds = 1000dps needed. You learned this math in 4th grade hopefully.

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>>Implying every pug on every server ever pulls 300 DPS at ilvl90.
Wow you sure have amazing fantasies! Just like the fantasy of this fight being so easy that everyone is doing it and farming it! Oh wait no they aren't that's why its a problem. Please record a video of you and your entire party in i90 clearing this fight with 2 melee DPS. Oh and you aren't allowed to go with your static. It must be a random party finder group with people you don't know.


The 3 of you (and anyone else who disagrees) need to understand that I'm not asking TO NERF THE FIGHT. I am asking to make rewards ON PAR WITH THE DIFFICULTY. Raising the ilvl of the rings to 110 or the weapons to 105/110 would be a much better option than nerfing the fight all together. Stop being rude and trolling my thread.

I feel i have to step in a little here.

The Sands mentioned in the OP dont drop in Syrcus Tower, only oils (for accessories).

Second, the Unidentified Allegan Tome has a roughly 30% droprate in ST as per the developers words. That's still 24 people having 30% chance, or put diffirently, depending on your luck, a 1 in 80 chance for you to get one. The amount of Soldiery put into it make it easily a 3 week long journey alone on top of that. And that gets you the base i100 weapon. Which would still need the Sand from Coil (since hunts are such a mess only the top 1% of the playerbase might get it from there).

So other than grossly overestimating/overreacting about diffirent methods being available to get a good weapon, you could just as well do one Ramuh EX and get a nice i100 alternative weapon. Not to mention it's pretty looking as well.

And then still, why would that matter? If someone can get a i110 weapon through a diffirent method, why would that be important to you? Does it somehow make you less of a <insert job here> if someone else who you might not ever see again gets a i110 weapon and you do not? Through, i might add, a method that's openly available to you to try as well. Just realize that it's not as easy as you make it out to be.

I'm not saying Ramuh's weapons shouldnt be upgradable or higher in power, but the "alternatives" people are refering to as easy, while denying anyone the right to say the same about Ramuh are just getting rediculous.

Just a question:

Anyone kills Titan Ex expecting a reward?

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Originally Posted by Surian

I feel i have to step in a little here.

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Um no I didn't say sands drop in ST. I said "eventually" because they said eventually ST would drop it.
Secondly, you only fight 7 people in your party for the tomestone. FYI I got my tomestone on my FIRST run of ST. I've run ST 3 times total and I got 1 tomestone and 2 oils and saw the tomestone drop twice. It is VERY easy to get.


Ramuh weapons are good stepping stone but as I said in my original post, Ramuh is too annoying/difficult for someone with a 90/95 weapon to make it worthwhile to farm him for his 100 weapon which doesn't even drop every single time. It's much easier to get a tomestone and farm soldiery for 3 weeks than finding a competent group that can clear Ramuh ex.

And no one is denying anyone of anything where did you even get this from?? I am simply saying that for the effort involved the rewards aren't as good when there are EASIER alternatives. Also you are on my server, you should know exactly what the party finder scene is like and how there's barely any Ramuh parties. Additionally, you have not cleared the fight. Do you even know or have you experienced the difficulty level for it? I don't understand people who come to argue with me without having cleared the fight, this is completely counterproductive.

"I haven't cleared Ramuh Ex, but LET ME 'SPLAIN YOU A THING" ಠ_ಠ

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Originally Posted by Theresa

Just a question:

Anyone kills Titan Ex expecting a reward?

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kinda, the people who kill titan ex now do it soley for the rowena tokens, since ifrit and garuda tend to be on farm for mounts, but when it comes to titan hardly anyone wants to unless the whole party wants the tokens,

the risk vs reward the op is saying does make sense yes the fight is hard so the rewards should be just as rewarding, and since we don't have EX primal weapons v2 and we only get weapons which at the point of farming would be glamor to relics or other weapons, there worth seems unjust,

i have the feeling ramuh is going to be the next titan once shiva ex is out, and we hopefully see a ex primal set v2 that require all 6 ex primals to be defeated, (that way people who's ays its easy have to defeat all 6 within a time limit).

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Originally Posted by DracotheDragon

kinda, the people who kill titan ex now do it soley for the rowena tokens, since ifrit and garuda tend to be on farm for mounts, but when it comes to titan hardly anyone wants to unless the whole party wants the tokens,

the risk vs reward the op is saying does make sense yes the fight is hard so the rewards should be just as rewarding, and since we don't have EX primal weapons v2 and we only get weapons which at the point of farming would be glamor to relics or other weapons, there worth seems unjust,

i have the feeling ramuh is going to be the next titan once shiva ex is out, and we hopefully see a ex primal set v2 that require all 6 ex primals to be defeated, (that way people who's ays its easy have to defeat all 6 within a time limit).

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It was an honest question, because I only know that Titan is hard but didn't hear about the rewards it gives. Thanks for the answer!

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Originally Posted by Theresa

Just a question:

Anyone kills Titan Ex expecting a reward?

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Back when Titan Ex was relevant the BiS melee earning dropped in there the ilvl 90 gear the original EX primals dropped were all relevant and could be used in BiS setups as ilvl 90 was the highest gear lvl.

as for Ramuh did the fight it was alright didn't find it easy or hard just requires paying attention. Have no problems with the reward lvl but at the current reward lvl I do not find any incentive to run it again. So if they wanted to make a change to make it worth running multiple times i would be alright with that.