Desynthesis Endgame Guide

49s definitely give 1's, if GSM's Tortoiseshell Armillae is any indication.

Okay, so I don't have too much wrong then. I'll go list the 50s as other options to getting the BC/FC IIs when I have a chance.

Btw, have any of you found any other things I've posted to be inaccurate? Let me know if so and I'll update them. I know my demimateria yields are wrong, but I'm still trying to get data on those. It's hard to say what's "best" for each type of demimateria without knowing the yields from different ilvls. My current data suggests that i70 and i90 items drop demimateria at the same rate (20% x1 at i70, 7% x1 and 7% x2 at i90), which seems really odd and incorrect. Need moar data!

Tane Mahuta is more easily farmed.

And OP lists GSM as "mid" for battlecraft 3's. It's definitely by far the best; something about darklight accessories being guaranteed from half the chests of at least 2 dungeons.

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

49s definitely give 1's, if GSM's Tortoiseshell Armillae is any indication.

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Yeah I remember doing a bunch of those now and getting 1's. Tane Mahuta though is definitely 2's.

great guide but its a little misleading

aint read every reply so dunno if this has been mentioned but please add rose gold nuggets to artisan spec's desynth list...?

Kind of obviously only listing things of value. I get Cut Stone from desynthing titan weapons but that's hardly worth mentioning is it?

Ah-ha! After a 5-6 more attempts at desynthing a sarnga I was able to replicate my results :). Here's the proof that you can get back the weapon part. Rare, but it's possible.

http://i.imgur.com/zpUN0pY.png

Why would anyone doubt that? You can get any of the mats back. Though I'm curious if anyone's messed with desynthing things that use demimateria and whether you can get those back (it's just not really worth it to try those).

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

Why would anyone doubt that? You can get any of the mats back. Though I'm curious if anyone's messed with desynthing things that use demimateria and whether you can get those back (it's just not really worth it to try those).

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Hmm, well in the guide she states that you cannot get a weapon part back and I responded that you could, but I didn't have any proof :P just following up.

I'm stuck at ALC 83.. is titan weapon the only way?

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Originally Posted by Richiealvian

I'm stuck at ALC 83.. is titan weapon the only way?

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Options above 80 for alc:
Attire augmentations
i95 weapons/shield.

Yuck either way, but definitely less yuck from the attire augment items. That's still 1500 myth + 4500 gc seals to make each.

I95 Shield! Which one in particular? I cannot do it for my allagans!

Edit: WOW well, if you mean the primal ones.. :(

Also, you mean 45000 gc seals.. sadness

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Originally Posted by Richiealvian

I95 Shield! Which one in particular? I cannot do it for my allagans!

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http://xivdb.com/?item/8381/Tremor-Shield

At least on sargatanas, it'd cost you about 7mil + to make one buying from mb...and then you wouldn't be able to make a 2nd due to lack of mats.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

http://xivdb.com/?item/8381/Tremor-Shield

At least on sargatanas, it'd cost you about 7mil + to make one buying from mb...and then you wouldn't be able to make a 2nd due to lack of mats.

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Would you happen to know when Giantsgall stops giving you exp at all?

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Originally Posted by Richiealvian

Would you happen to know when Giantsgall stops giving you exp at all?

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Same as any other i70s. So you really are stuck with just farming titan or spending on attire augment items. But if the point is to get it to the point where you can desynth alc items you'd get into stuff, why bother going much past that? Titan weapons are basically the endgame for alc desynth. Once you get high enough, the next level is only going to be a 2% (or less) success increase anyway.

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Originally Posted by Richiealvian

Also, you mean 45000 gc seals.. sadness

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Right, my bad. If you're desynthing darklight+ gear into stuff like rose gold ingots that can help with that though. Still pretty pricey for small benefits.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

Same as any other i70s. So you really are stuck with just farming titan or spending on attire augment items. But if the point is to get it to the point where you can desynth alc items you'd get into stuff, why bother going much past that? Titan weapons are basically the endgame for alc desynth. Once you get high enough, the next level is only going to be a 2% (or less) success increase anyway.



Right, my bad. If you're desynthing darklight+ gear into stuff like rose gold ingots that can help with that though. Still pretty pricey for small benefits.

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Um, I'm strange like that, but I level my desynths just to get to level 100 basically hahaha. I like the feeling of being maxed. I have 100 crp and 100 gsm which I dunno what for.

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Originally Posted by Richiealvian

Um, I'm strange like that, but I level my desynths just to get to level 100 basically hahaha. I like the feeling of being maxed. I have 100 crp and 100 gsm which I dunno what for.

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Well then you can't even hit 100 on a 3rd, unless your other 5 crafts are under lvl 30 (lvl 30 actual level, not desynth level). Max will be 95. And that makes it easy for me to figure out which craft to leave @ 95 on my alt, will be alc.

Thanks a lot for this guide but it has almost destroyed my will to continue lol. I am only interested in the 2 types of Demimateria to get the new 75 tools. In order to obtain them, I have to desynth the items I can exchange in Mor Dhona from harvesting unspoiled nodes if I got the guide correctly.

How insane is this please? Destroying Level 70 items where I need hardened sap or other expensive mats was already frustrating enough. But having to farm days to get enough unspoiled nodes to get another Forager hat or something like that just to destroy it? LMAO, that's ridiculous. No wonder the items cost so much.

For some of the desynths you have mentioned chances to obtain the desired items but not for the Fieldcraft Demimateria III and Mastercraft Demimateria. Is it a 100% drop from a successful desynth? Or do I have only a small chance to get one? If it is 100%, I might just make enough to get myself the tools, if we speak about 10% chance or something like that, I trash my desynth motivation straight away lol.

Sorry for the inaccuracies in the guide. Obviously, I can't test everything myself since I can't have every class at high levels, so a lot of this is extrapolation, info found elsewhere on the internet, and educated guesses. I had never seen a weapon part retrieved, but I had seen materials not in the final product received, so I thought it combined the pools. Clearly, that's wrong for parts, but might still be true for equipment that takes other equipment. Either way, I'll update the guide, and I really appreciate the correction.

I had thought that relatively cheap crafts that can desynth into Battlecraft Demimateria III would be superior to running dungeons. ~15 minutes to run a dungeon plus only a 0.5 item yield per dungeon (assuming everyone in the party wants the item) means you can only get 2 i70 items an hour on average. i90 crafted items cost ~30k each to make on my server, meaning running dungeons only makes you ~60k an hour, and when I seriously craft, I can make ~200k an hour. Also, I was under the impression that i90 was better than i70 for getting demimateria. That's why I was suggesting that the crafted items were better than running dungeons for Darklight gear.

I did a bunch of testing this weekend, and my data now shows that I was totally wrong about the yields. While i90 items can give 2x demimateria at a time, comparing the yields of i90 and i70 items, they appear to be the same in the end (I was actually getting slightly better yields from i70 items...). I've found that i90s give demimateria much, much less often, to my dismay, making a lot of what I said in my guide inaccurate.

Mathing it out with my new numbers, it costs ~350k on my server to get a single Battlecraft Demimateria III from crafting on average. They are selling on the MB for ~100-200k each. Clearly, this is not sensible. It seems the way people get Battlecraft Demimateria III the most effectively is by running dungeons for Darklight accessories. If you can make tons of money by crafting like me, the correct solution is to make tons of money by crafting and just buy them from the MB from people running dungeons.

i90 meldable items are still great for leveling though.

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Originally Posted by Richiealvian

Would you happen to know when Giantsgall stops giving you exp at all?

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Not completely, but I do know that i70 items give ~0.10 skill at level 84 and are only down to ~0.08 skill at level 87. Extrapolation suggests they should still give experience at level 90, though it should be down to ~0.04 by then, and it will be down to ~0.01 by 93. In contrast, extrapolation suggests that i80 items give ~0.25 skill at level 85, down to ~0.20 by level 90. I would expect them to be down to ~0.10 by 95 and down to ~0.04 by 99.

As a note, ALC isn't the only class to have issues getting from 90 to 100. CUL also has no desynthable items at all above i80.

I would love to know what your numbers were from you testing, thanks to this guide I decided to save up and do a test run for myself. Since Coke seems to stay between 9 and 10k I decided to try the summoning bells. I only payed for the Scheelite and the Petrified logs since I am able to farm the rest easily at this point. I payed a little less than 25k overall per summoning bell and I mass produced (thanks to netflix and macros) 100 summoning bells on saturday. I am at 100 bsm before i began and these were my results

32 Botchs
18 Fieldcraft 3 Demimateria
06 Clear 3 Demimateria

The rest were a mix of wolfram ingots ancient lumber and my favorite the feather.

By my math I could only get 28 darksteel ingot at the almost same cost as the 100 summoning bells and at this time I would be surprised if I got same or higher result out of 28 weapon parts made from the the darksteel ingots. This guide I would say has saved me alot of gil pain, thank you!

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Originally Posted by Uttahutta

I would love to know what your numbers were from you testing

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Okay, so, you're saying you got 18 FC3s from 68 successful desynths. That's awesome! Much better results than I've gotten so far. Your results are much better than what I've been seeing, but I haven't desynthed that many yet.

My successful i90 desynths:
39 Carbuncle Chronometers: 8 FC3s
7 Summoning Bells (failed ~43 so far :( ): 1 FC3
51 Gold Spectacles: 9 BC3s

Combining these, I get:
97 i90 desynths: 18 Demimateria IIIs (EY: 0.186)

Throwing in yours, I get:
165 i90 desynths: 36 Demimateria IIIs (EY: 0.22)

So, it looks like the EY is converging on the same value as for i70 items. The only numbers I have for that right now are:

100 Artisan's Spectacles: 23 FC3s (EY: 0.23) [also, 14 Mastercrafts]

Not sure if Artisan's has the same yield rate as other i70 items.

So, in conclusion, i90 isn't worse than i70 like my math was telling me, it's equal to it. I just have crap luck.

Artisan Spectacles -> Rose Gold Ingot
Rose Gold Circlet -> Rose Gold Ingot (high chance) Raptor Leather (?? wat, high chance), Battlecraft Demimateria III (good chance) and maybe clear demimateria as well on (low chance)

x: edit: well I had a streak of Rose gold ingots (5 out of 8, 2 demi mats out of 8, 1 raptor leather out of 8) but the next 4 ones gave me all raptor leathers, thought I had found a good source of BCIII haha.

From all those artisan spectacles I got, I made about 15 rose gold ingots (some hq) so recycling them into battlecraft III is pretty good!

Also for Battlecraft II, "Imperial Operative Wristlets" have been yielding quite a few, and again due to Artisan Spetacles desynth, I've a LOT of Rose gold nuggets, 3 are needed for this pair of bracers, so im just recycling them into Battlecraft II

Easy mats for Augmented shiny chest pieces

Artisans spectacles are better for a supply of fields simply because you can't break it at 100 skill and they don't give clear demimateria. Any extra master demi's you get you can also sell off to buy more field III's. The i90's are too inconsistent but I guess it's a trade off as the mats are generally easier to come by and less time consuming than specs.

I have been doing desync on 2 star furniture and I noticed that as your desync level gets closer to 90, (ie 87 onwards), the chances of Field III gets higher.

I got 8 Field III from about 20 successful 2 star furniture desync last night

got 1 field III out of 22 carbuncle tables with weaver 100

So, I'm increasingly seeing that while the yields for i90 and i70 are about the same, i70 is far more reliable. I'll continue making adjustments to the guide with this in mind.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

I got 8 Field III from about 20 successful 2 star furniture desync last night

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Do you have an exact number so I can update my stats with this?

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

got 1 field III out of 22 carbuncle tables with weaver 100

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Were all 22 successful desynths?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...808-11-2014%29

Q: Currently it's not possible to desynthesize item level 95 equipment, but in the future will it be possible?
A: Komoto: Yes, it will. Once the cap is raised on average item level, players will be able to desynthesize item level 95 equipment.

Yoshida: I mentioned this briefly in the past, but the current desynthesis skill maximum is 300, but we are planning to raise this to 400 with the cap increase.

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

So, I'm increasingly seeing that while the yields for i90 and i70 are about the same, i70 is far more reliable. I'll continue making adjustments to the guide with this in mind.

Do you have an exact number so I can update my stats with this?

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Yes, personally I'm seeing that i70 seems to be more reliable. It happened to both my current desync classes. While at lvl 70 desyncing two star furnitures, it doesn't generate Field III at all. But when I reached lvl 80, it started to appear once in a blue moon, and as I crossed level 85, two stars seems to drop more.

It leads me to believe sufficient proficiency, maybe at least 15 level desync level higher than the item level, is required to have a steadier chance at Field III

Two nights ago, I desynced 20 two star furniture (successful).

Last night I did a batch if 11 two star furniture (successful) desyncs and yielded 4 Field III

I will try to update again if I managed to do large batches of furniture again. Desync seems to be pretty active on my server, certain materials doesn't come by easy, cheap, and in large quantities.

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

Were all 22 successful desynths?

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13 out of 22 and 1 FC III, wvr 100

http://xivdb.com/?recipe/1925/Coronal-Straw-Hat

This can be used, to get past the i55 gap as weaver, if fleeces are ridiculously expensive like on my server, lot of components but they are very cheap. Those also provide fieldcraft2 demimaterias.

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

13 out of 22 and 1 FC III, wvr 100

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Okay, I'll add it to the tally.

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Originally Posted by Horobi

http://xivdb.com/?recipe/1925/Coronal-Straw-Hat

This can be used, to get past the i55 gap as weaver, if fleeces are ridiculously expensive like on my server, lot of components but they are very cheap. Those also provide fieldcraft2 demimaterias.

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Good point! I'll add that. Interesting that vanity gear desynths to Fieldcraft Demis. I should see if there are any places where this is extremely useful.

Anyone know when they are going to implement the ability to lock your desynth level? Going through low level desynths on your capped class for every 3 or so desynths in your new class just so you don't lose your capped desynth class is a real pain.

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Originally Posted by Huckster

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...808-11-2014%29

Q: Currently it's not possible to desynthesize item level 95 equipment, but in the future will it be possible?
A: Komoto: Yes, it will. Once the cap is raised on average item level, players will be able to desynthesize item level 95 equipment.

Yoshida: I mentioned this briefly in the past, but the current desynthesis skill maximum is 300, but we are planning to raise this to 400 with the cap increase.

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We can already desynth i95 weapons. (source)

Yeah, that question/response really confused me...

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

LTW and ARM are, in my opinion, the worst desynth classes right now.

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That can be very inaccurate based on what you're going to do for desynth fodder. If your interest is in getting some extra gil from stuff you get in brayflox, especially if you go as a tank, ltw/arm/gsm is the best coverage of the possible drops there. You don't need all 3 craft choices to be best for getting 1 type of materia; you only need 1 go-to craft for that, and gsm covers that quite nicely. Then your best plan of attack is to get the best coverage on other things with the other 2.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

That can be very inaccurate based on what you're going to do for desynth fodder.

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Fair enough. I updated my wording to be more accurate.

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

Yeah, that question/response really confused me...

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Should be quite obvious they're referring to non-crafted items, like myth/allagan gear.

I checked the video just to be sure and I think it's just a mistranslatio. The question asked was if they would eventually let i90 items be desynthed. The slight pause/drag in the question when mentioning i90 probably confused the translator into thinking he said i95.

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dSkill 50-54: Mythril File (i40) [77% - 83.6%] (buy the mythril ingots from the Amal'ja vendor) {probably better choices here}
dSkill 54-64: Horned Hatchet (i49) [60% - 77.5%] (1x FC1, push this as far as you can)

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Horned Hatched is actually i48, like the other recipes above it (the recipe levels are irrelevant to the item level)

I prefered making Bas-Relief Cobalt Saws (top of the 46-50 recipes in BSM) as they required only 3 mats, none are leather or sinews (expensive and annoying to farm up) and started at 50 and made it all the way to 64 with 150 of them.

Lots of FC1 and FC1x2 from those Saws.

Actually, that's incorrect. Item level is what doesn't matter. Recipe level determines chance of success and experience gained. Otherwise, Vanity items would be trivial to desynth and give nothing exciting. Except, items like the Sea Breeze Summer Pareo is not that easy to desynth.

Well in any case, this worked better for me for less mats and better returns~

And just did BSM 75-92 with Summoning Bells, so many broken and only got 1 Fieldcraft out of them all the way to 92. Might've been better to just buy FCIII instead of buying all those mats for summoning bells but I wouldn't have gotten to 92 any other way x;

Has anyone ever gotten a rose gold ingot from the i80 accessories? I keep getting nuggets...going by the ratio of nuggets to ingots on darklight I should've had several ingots by now.

Edit: I did just get a darksteel ingot from some heavy armor there.