Is the PS3(4?) holding back the game?

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Originally Posted by Vaughn

Don't forget lower end PCs as well. They also designed the game to run on those. So your question should be are the PS3, PS4, and lower end PCs holding back the game.

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Devs don't really take into account the lowest end of PCs, as the game grows people with bad PCs will notice their game will give more and more problems with each update, devs assume people will move on upgrading hardware, they are not held back by that.

But PS3 is different, people can't upgrade hardware so as long as it's supported they can't do major changes.

Yoshida have already said that the ps3 after the first expansion, not right after, will surelly dropped and they will ask the people on ps3 to move up on ps4 or pc.

The game is limited in some aspects by the abilities of the consoles. Take map design for example, in 1.0 it was copy pasted to have terrains repeated so the memory usage lessens, and in 2.0 it was split into many little maps and loading screens because people reasonably hated the copy paste map of 1.0.

That's why many PC exclusive MMORPGs' allow themselves to have big maps that are not copy-pasted and are unique.

TBH I think that even for the console users it would be better for the game if SE dropped the PS3 during the development of 2.0 before designing all the maps and tons of loading screens on every step.

Even when the PS3 is dropped, there is no going back, they will most likely won't change/merge or fix the map and many other core features and content that been already designed fully.

That said, sadly money talks. If SE don't make the game compatible with PS3, they will lose players (who only own that console). If they make the game compatible by putting tons of loading screens, they will not lose any players because the PS3 ones will be able to buy the game and play and the PC/PS4 ones will most likely put up with it (as we do lol). So there you have your answer lol

/toomanyloadingscreens!

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Originally Posted by Alukah

Devs don't really take into account the lowest end of PCs.

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Yes they do. If you followed the development of ARR at all Yoshi made it VERY CLEAR he was taking scalability into consideration, meaning lower end PCs were a part of the equation. WoW, the "main popular MMO" also takes into consideration people's toasters, hence why it was so mainstream and easy to get into.

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devs assume people will move on upgrading hardware, they are not held back by that.

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Offline titles, sure - However MMOs still largely play like it's 2004 despite all the hardware and technology advances.

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Originally Posted by Razzle

That's why many PC exclusive MMORPGs' allow themselves to have big maps that are not copy-pasted and are unique.!

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So..why do most MMOs out there have loading screens that has no console port...?

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

So..why do most MMOs out there have loading screens that has no console port...?

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Personally I don't know any MMORPG with as many loading screens, small maps size, and loading screens even inside short dungeons, that are PC exclusive.

However, I do know many PC exclusive MMORPG that have less loading screens and bigger maps size.

Terra and Aion comes to mind.

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Originally Posted by Razzle

Personally I don't know any MMORPG with as many loading screens, small maps size, and loading screens even inside short dungeons, that are PC exclusive.

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How many have you actually played? Pretty much the majority of them still utilize loading screens in some fashion (especially going region to region or into cities/towns) which is why people requested that SE throw in artwork for the loading screens because that's commonly found in MMOs of today (and black screen only is boring.)

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

How many have you actually played? Pretty much the majority of them still utilize loading screens in some fashion (especially going region to region or into cities/towns) which is why people requested that SE throw in artwork for the loading screens because that's commonly found in MMOs of today (and black screen only is boring.)

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I played many. Not only the majority of them have loading screens - ALL of them have loading screens. I didn't speak of just loading screens - I speak of the amount of it and the size of maps.

Loading screen is boring for me, black screen, artworks, or any other, so the less - the better. But that's just my opinion.

I've always wondered how people are so "bored" when it comes to loading screens. Uh oh, there went 10 seconds wasted of the time you are wasting playing a video game.

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Originally Posted by Ramzal

I've always wondered how people are so "bored" when it comes to loading screens. Uh oh, there went 10 seconds wasted of the time you are wasting playing a video game.

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Because loading screen + loading screen + loading screen is 30 seconds :D And that's minimum for a single dungeon in this game ( ' x '

PC is holding the game back more with 3rd party programs.

But for real this logic is never ending. In a sense, every XBONE game is being held back by being on XBONE instead of PS4. And every PS4 game is being held back by not being on PC. And every PC game being held back because it's not made for 2000 dollar PC's. I have a PS4 and a High-mid gaming PC. Does the game look smoother on PC, yes. Does the game run better on PC, yes. Do I play on PC? No. PS4 has a better controller (I have an external keyboard) and trophies and streaming/vid capture. So if those little trivial things are enough for me to play on the "lesser" version, then it's pretty much a toss up.


PS3 support needs to go though.

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Originally Posted by Razzle

Because loading screen + loading screen + loading screen is 30 seconds :D And that's minimum for a single dungeon in this game ( ' x '

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It's 30 seconds... it takes longer than that to ready a cup of coffee. Of all the things that are wrong with games, loading screens isn't one of them unless they last for longer than a minute individually. That's a personal issue with patience that someone has to deal with themselves as opposed to asking a company to dedicate time and money to accommodate that impatience.

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Originally Posted by Ramzal

It's 30 seconds... it takes longer than that to ready a cup of coffee. Of all the things that are wrong with games, loading screens isn't one of them unless they last for longer than a minute individually. That's a personal issue with patience that someone has to deal with themselves as opposed to asking a company to dedicate time and money to accommodate that impatience.

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Because finding loading screens boring = impatient. Thanks for enlighting me Mr. Patience :D

I'll give feedback on what I think "a company should dedicate time and money" to, as this is the purpose of this forum, thank you very much.

Fact is, lots of games these days do have less loading screens and prefere it that way, so shockingly they do "dedicate time and money to accomodate that impatience".

I respect your love for loading screens, so please respect my hate for it :D

Also my main concern is the small size of maps rather than anything. But I guess companies should put time and money only to things you, Mr. patience, deem worthy.

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Originally Posted by Ramzal

It's 30 seconds... it takes longer than that to ready a cup of coffee. Of all the things that are wrong with games, loading screens isn't one of them unless they last for longer than a minute individually. That's a personal issue with patience that someone has to deal with themselves as opposed to asking a company to dedicate time and money to accommodate that impatience.

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Actually loading screens are a mild problem but not for reasons of players being impatient.

There's a lot that can be said about traveling an open seamless world that does wonders for the look and feel of a game, In all honesty it provides a sense depth and believability to your world that can be very jarring for some players who travel between two areas to be met with a black screen or a loading splash rather than a natural transition.

unfortunately this is one of those things better left seen than explained but i welcome you to take a look at other MMOs that have very few or no loading screens at all and see the effect it has on the environment when done correctly.

To be honest it's one of those things that didn't really bother me coming from FFXI until i branched out to see how many MMOs -didn't- do this to really appreciate it.

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Originally Posted by Razzle

Also my main concern is the small size of maps rather than anything. But I guess companies should put time and money only to things you, Mr. patience, deem worthy.

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Smaller than some 1.0 maps, sure. But do you really feel like maps in general are "small"?

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Originally Posted by Razzle

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Notice how I did not trail towards name calling that usually makes the internet a ridiculous cesspool where intelligent conversation cannot take place. I do not "love" load screens, but I am patient enough to wait the 10 seconds it takes to go into the next area. What was I really going to accomplish with that lost 10 seconds when I am sitting in front of a monitor for hours on end? What were you going to accomplish? What you want is seamless, unfiltered escapism by means of a video game medium that simulates real world interaction without having to interact with the real world. You want immersion in your video games to a complete and total level which does not exist even in the most immerse of games like Skyrim because that has loading screens as well. Sure there is the illusion of immersion but that hasn't happened. When it comes to complaints about loading screens, they are on par with that of a child complaining who can't have an entire carton of juice when their parent hands them a cup.

TLDR:

I'd hate to imagine you waiting for a doctor/at the dmv.

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Originally Posted by Ryel

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I have played other MMOs and my opinion did not change drastically. Rift for an example had no loading screens for the most part outside of teleporting, entering a dungeon, or entering pvp if I recall. I also recall I stopped playing RIFT, but that is neither here nor there. While I do understand what you mean (This doesn't need to turn into the usual internet rumble where we both repeat the same thing over and over again, hoping that one understands/folds to the other. I am pretty sure we can understand each other very clearly here) I feel that the game itself has enough virtues that asking for a 10 second waiting period inbetween points is reasonable enough. It is FAR from the perfect game and has it's share of problems but I do not see 10 seconds of waiting an issue as immersion itself is only an illusion and personally I see no need to absolutely immerse myself in a virtual world. I enjoy it just fine knowing it is just a game, I feel no need to get that sense that I am IN the game. Also, you talk of believability... I could bring this thread to 100 pages on the ways Physics, anatomy, physiology, and biology are SHATTERED by this game utterly.

Seriously, the fact that they call each of the choices between characters "Races" makes the biologist in me want to eat rusty nails.

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Originally Posted by Astralos

Smaller than some 1.0 maps, sure. But do you really feel like maps in general are "small"?

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by Ramzal

Notice how I did not trail towards name calling that usually makes the internet a ridiculous cesspool where intelligent conversation cannot take place. I do not "love" load screens, but I am patient enough to wait the 10 seconds it takes to go into the next area. What was I really going to accomplish with that lost 10 seconds when I am sitting in front of a monitor for hours on end? What were you going to accomplish? What you want is seamless, unfiltered escapism by means of a video game medium that simulates real world interaction without having to interact with the real world. You want immersion in your video games to a complete and total level which does not exist even in the most immerse of games like Skyrim because that has loading screens as well. Sure there is the illusion of immersion but that hasn't happened. When it comes to complaints about loading screens, they are on par with that of a child complaining who can't have an entire carton of juice when their parent hands them a cup.

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I'd hate to imagine you waiting for a doctor/at the dmv.

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1. I don't remember name calling anyone :D, on the other hand all the implications (see your posts and the TLDR) you made about me, while not name calling, are not much different from that ( ' x '
2. That sure is an over analyzing of my personality based on a simple feeling towards loading screens. needless to say it's pretty far from reality :D
3. You're not the only one who can shockingly wait 10 seconds, I can too :D it doesn't mean I like too, and it doesn't mean this game is perfect, but this forum exsists to state what we don't like and why this game is not perfect in our opinion, and so I stated mine~

At the end of the day, playing a game in itself is wasting time. So that argument is pretty much pointless of what is a waste of time and what isn't, inside the game.

PS4 is less that/around a year old? Come back and ask the thread title in about 5 years.

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Originally Posted by Ramzal

I have played other MMOs and my opinion did not change drastically. Rift for an example had no loading screens for the most part outside of teleporting, entering a dungeon, or entering pvp if I recall. I also recall I stopped playing RIFT, but that is neither here nor there. While I do understand what you mean (This doesn't need to turn into the usual internet rumble where we both repeat the same thing over and over again, hoping that one understands/folds to the other. I am pretty sure we can understand each other very clearly here) I feel that the game itself has enough virtues that asking for a 10 second waiting period inbetween points is reasonable enough. It is FAR from the perfect game and has it's share of problems but I do not see 10 seconds of waiting an issue as immersion itself is only an illusion and personally I see no need to absolutely immerse myself in a virtual world. I enjoy it just fine knowing it is just a game, I feel no need to get that sense that I am IN the game. Also, you talk of believability... I could bring this thread to 100 pages on the ways Physics, anatomy, physiology, and biology are SHATTERED by this game utterly.

Seriously, the fact that they call each of the choices between characters "Races" makes the biologist in me want to eat rusty nails.

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I can agree completely, which is why lack of loading screens in an MMO is simply a personal preference and not a game breaker.

ARR certainly does have a lot going for it considering the position it brought itself out of, however the devs still have a long ways to go when it comes to making an MMO that can live up to the "Modern" standard.

It doesn't help that many of those aspects were present in 1.0 (even if they were poorly implemented) and were removed with the 2.0 launch; limited loading screens, seamless over-world to dungeon transition, larger areas, higher res textures etc are all no longer present and Yoshida actually speaks about this.

Sad to say but because of the engine they used initially and the memory limitations of the Ps3 as stated by Tanaka during that time, pushed this game's Ps3 launch from the Ps3's prime to the end of it's life cycle.

The things mentioned above however can easily be worked back into the game when expansions are developed in the future but the Ps3 isn't getting any younger in that regard.

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Originally Posted by Astralos

Smaller than some 1.0 maps, sure. But do you really feel like maps in general are "small"?

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Also to this i would say not ALL zones are small but if the majority of zones were on the scale of Southern Thanalan, and Coerthas with travel being a tad more difficult we would have a better balance overall.

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Originally Posted by Jubez187

PS3 support needs to go though.

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you do realize the limitation of the ps3 will hurt the game at some point?

you can't hope the game to hold for 10 years, when the technologie evolve and the other mmorpg will offer more and more. FF14 will need to evolve and the main trouble of the consol are the fact that the hardware can't evolve.
and at all the people saying, people will not upgrade them pc for play the game i will say: yep, they will upgrade them pc for have a better computer. a pc is not only used for gaming, remember?

Made something to sum it up:

http://i.imgur.com/UEDYXIb.jpg

I don't know if it's holding back the game, but it's holding back my gameplay. Can't wait to get a PS4.

Ehrmegerd console sux!!!!1111!!