Upon death, a character should lose XP, not durability.

I'd actually like to see some exp loss upon death but without the ability to delevel. Perhaps that would be just a little too cruel, especially for those at the rank cap. However if you're planning to die, you can always switch to an unimportant low rank job.

If exp loss were brought in, weakness should be done away with. Mostly since I can imagine horrible situations during an NM battle where someone accidentally dies within NM range, receives a Raise but gets hit with another attack while trying to flee to safety under the effect of weakness. More exp lost. Ouch.

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Originally Posted by Alexis_Arteme

Wow... that's enough of you. Go away. If they penalized XP I'd quit tomorrow.

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It's funny because the game already does penalize your exp in a different way. :|

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Originally Posted by Jabo

This is realy what i'm afraid of and sadly it realy looks that way.
Seems like the new player generation wanting games to be easy as hell, if you are looking at the game industry in general.

I will definitly quit the game (even if its for free) when they dont ad at least a feel of a decent challnge to the gameplay.
Playing to reach Rank 50 and not for actualy having fun seems to be the major opinion though.

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I don't want the game to be easy. I love to challenge my character's abilities. Now that I don't have to worry about xp loss I am exploring the game world. My biggest regret with FFXI is that I didn't see the whole of it. I was afraid of dying and possibly losing a level. I was barred access to places in my world even though I paid to have that access.

"I have attained this particular level of skill. I fought an opponent and died. I was magically resurrected in mystical video game style. Why should I no longer know what I learned?" If you want the xp loss kinda game, then go play one where you have to start at level 1 each time you die.

Both losing XP and item durability upon death are annoyances, both of which don't actually make the game more difficult, at all.

The power of the necro post is strong with you people today

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

The power of the necro post is strong with you people today

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lol I was thinking the same thing earlier. So many old posts popping up after being dead for so long.

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Originally Posted by Xzen

XP loss in no way kept the bad players from being bad players.

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this. I ran into "mindless" ppl in ffxi who out pulled a pld hp/mp died then yelle at the pld. exp loss of death made no one smarter. Also ppl started having Power level requirements to avoid death to get the most exp/hr making most parties (99%) dd zerging. this was after cop and before treasures.

Hmm, why can't they just make it so that like it's been in every other final fantasy, if you die you lose everything you've gained since your last save point. Where a save point would be an aetheryte crystal? This would definately make people wary of dying, although I don't know how it would work with disconnections.

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Originally Posted by Neogohan1

Hmm, why can't they just make it so that like it's been in every other final fantasy, if you die you lose everything you've gained since your last save point. Where a save point would be an aetheryte crystal? This would definately make people wary of dying, although I don't know how it would work with disconnections.

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Ok so you have been partying for about 3 hours and everything is fine until the healer gets pissed off at the tank. The healer then waits for you guys to pull then leaves the party and everyone dies. That would make more people riot instead of the dreaded sp loss idea.

You would be giving trolls a tool to set you back even farther than just losing xp. Both ways have a greater negative impact than just some nut kicking adrenaline rush.

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Originally Posted by Edyn

I'd actually like to see some exp loss upon death but without the ability to delevel. Perhaps that would be just a little too cruel, especially for those at the rank cap. However if you're planning to die, you can always switch to an unimportant low rank job.

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There is no point if you cannot delevel then, because you won't care about dying anymore once you're 50.

I am not really in favor of SP loss. Maybe they could do something like you have to pay gil to resurrect, or you can choose to pay SP or gil. If you pay SP you get a shorter weakness?

About the gear durability, I'm in favor because it gives more repairs for crafters :p but I'd like it if red gear (or 0%) was like being naked and if you don't fix it after a while, it breaks and you have to buy it again!

is it April 19th yet sorry I stuck up for you a few time but after an ultimatum to se all i see is a sad man and no sp lose

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Originally Posted by Seikninkuru

Just punch yourself in the nuts when you die; it would have the same effect.

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LOLOL ^This

Having SP/EXP loss with the fatigue system still in place is pretty redundant. In with one and out with the other, if sp/xp penalty is ever considered. Although, I remember hearing of a system in another game where when you die, you don't actually "lose" xp, but when you die a separate "buffer zone" meter accrues xp and you gain 50% XP toward your level and 50% xp into depleting that "buffer zone." It sounded pretty cool to me, I hope I explained it well enough.

Although, looking at the item durability loss again as a penalty, I could see how that is punishment enough. If you were to constantly take like, a 25-30% hit per death in a long battle, your gear would get worthless fast. Imagine having to bring people to linkshell events not to fight the NMs or what have you, but have crafters on the sidelines to patch up people's weapons/armor lol. A new form of back line class!

Idea for a penalty if you all really want one.

1. 75% Movement speed reduction.
2. Blood Rite effect
3. All Abilities used in weakness become 10 Minute cool-downs.
4. Anima cost returning upon death -10 Anima cost.
5. All stats reduced to 1 underweakness.
6. Enmity greatly increased when near an engaged enemy over time.

This will make zerging hard, and death warping negated.

With the blood rite effect if you have 100 hp and you attack the mob, you'll lose 10 hp. If you have 10 hp left and you attack again, boom your dead again even if the mob doesn't attack. If you're bleeding a lot and you move around, what happens, you make the injury worse.

Making cooldown last longer when weakened, will definitely keep anyone from zerging a monster. And with stats reduced to one why bother attack anyway. Just by standing near the mob it will know you're weak and will want to kill you, so after standing near it long enough it will turn towards you even if the tank has had hate for a while.

Losing exp is way too annoying. I work hard for my ranks/levels, I just HATED it when I deleveled in FFXI, it became too time consuming to re-level all the time. Plus, it makes people mad when they die in a party because something RL happened and the healer couldn't heal because of it.

Not everyone is an hardcore gamer, I am a casual gamer and while I do like challenges, I hate it when I get my efforts torn down for whatever reason.

Hey guys, I heard its INCREDIBLY CHALLENGING to spend more hours in front of your computer so you can re-gain lost XP. The OP is either delusional, or an FF11 fan trying to see this game turned into that.

MMOs are not challenging to an individual player. They never have been. Penalizing a single player does nothing for an MMORPG except entice them to look for a better game.

Tell me, how do you challenge me by telling me to re-do something I have already completed? How will re-gaining a level challenge me, especially when most deaths in MMOs come from bad groups, disconnects, and exploring. If you want to be challenged on an individual level, go pick up an RTS or side scroll shooter. At least those genres require some sort of reaction speed, and actual thought.

Give me an immersive game world, dungeons to explore and conquer, some actual STORY LINE, do not however waste my time with pointless time sinks put in place only to stall a players progression / buy more time for devs to make more content.

I'll do things at my pace, I will be faster than some players, slower than others. The game doesn't need to try and FORCE that pace for anyone. Which seems to be what you call 'challenge'.

Loose XP , not SP.Everyones happy.