T5 Nerfed

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Originally Posted by NeoAmon

I did T1-T5 last night. I honestly did not notice anything except LB3 was easy to get even though we have 2x PLDs. I hope the changes to LB are intended as it was really nice ^^.

Aside from that Conflag is still 11k~ health according to ACT and we never have the tank goes in conflag so I honesty did not notice anything here. As for the sanke, for the first time since we started killing Twin we had LB3 and so the snake died way too early but I really think this is due to LB3.

I'm just saying I did not see any nerf, not denying anything else.

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Glad you noticed the LB gauge too. :) I think they actually ninja buffed it to increase faster, regardless of the composition and disregarding the SMN + SCH glitch.

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Originally Posted by Hitome

Glad you noticed the LB gauge too. :) I think they actually ninja buffed it to increase faster, regardless of the composition and disregarding the SMN + SCH glitch.

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Was really something to see LB3, never had that luxury before. What was also really surprising is we usually have LB2 for the snake phase and LB1 at the end of the fight for our MNK. This time we had LB3 for the snakes, and LB3 at the end of the fight as well, grand total of 80k damage lol.

yeah lowering the dps check by a bit is dama and making thing clearer is a big no no.

It not a big nerf, just some tuning.

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Originally Posted by Bankai305

People who cant clear twin now, won't clear twin after the so called nerf. It seems like the biggest "nerf" was conflag HP,

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I really, really don't think they touched conflag HP in that patch. When we were fighting Twintania last night, there was no difference. Still crossing my fingers that they don't revert the change to the icon sizes in this "bug fix" though. :S I already have to strain my pretty shitty vision in Coil because the environment designers decided that bright and glowy everything was a good idea.

Also, please don't call folk who haven't killed her yet "baddies". Not everyone started on Coil within the first month of the game.

I didn't notice a difference in conflags. Also I did notice the LB bar fills fast. That is nice!

Hello everyone. Regarding this concern, Producer/Director Naoki Yoshida published two replies yesterday that we'd like to share with you below:

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

This is FFXIV: A Realm Reborn Producer and Director Naoki Yoshida.

First of all, allow me to apologize for the delay in this announcement. Since receiving reports of abnormal enemy behavior in Turns 2 and 5 of the Binding Coil of Bahamut, we have been closely investigating the matter, and have confirmed these instances are currently not functioning as intended.

These issues are the result of unintended side effects from certain bug fixes and adjustments to instances in preparation for patch 2.2 that were applied to patch 2.16.

Rest assured that we are working as quickly as possible to restore the previous functionality, and all Worlds will undergo emergency maintenance as soon as the corrected patch build is ready for release. (In addition, cross hotbar targeting behavior will also be reverted to 2.15 functionality) I'll be making a separate post explaining what changes were made to result in the behavior you're experiencing in-game.

Many players have expressed the opinion that this was a stealth change that we intentionally failed to mention in the patch notes. Rest assured that such changes are strictly against our policy. (We realize that our players are much too sharp to fall for such tactics.) I realize that the inaccuracies and oversights in previous patch notes have no doubt led to such concerns, a situation for which I sincerely apologize.

I ask for your understanding, and promise you that we will endeavor to minimize such oversights in future patches.

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

Producer and Director Yoshi-P here.

As a follow-up to my previous post, I'd like to take a moment to explain the cause of the abnormal functionality observed in Turns 2 and 5 of the Binding Coil of Bahamut, as well as the manner in which we intended to fix it.

Changes to Turn 2
All boss encounters in FFXIV use what we internally refer to as a monitoring program and gambit algorithms to dictate their behavior.

The monitoring program takes the following factors into account for every encounter:

• The number of participating players
• The HP and enmity level of all participating players
• The HP of the boss enemy
• The boss enemy's target
• Time elapsed since the beginning of the encounter

By monitoring these factors, bosses are able to transition from one phase to the next, and activate certain abilities such as Titan's Upheaval or the fully charged ADS in Turn 2 of the Binding Coil.

However there was a latent bug (albeit a rarely occurring one) that can potentially cause conditions of the instance to reset based on the monitored player count, causing the boss to disappear and respawn.

This bug fix was implemented under the assumption that it would have no effect on Turn 2 when completed in the manner it was designed. However, the popular strategy used to bypass Allagan Rot involves players attacking the ADS after the program has completed monitoring boss behavior. As a result, attack frequency as determined by player count has changed from its pre-2.16 functionality.

Although the development team has no problem with the strategy used to bypass Allagan Rot, this bug fix inadvertently affected players' ability to employ said strategy.

Because the reason for this bug fix was to address an issue with a very miniscule chance of being triggered, we will revert the monitoring program back to its 2.15 functionality, and have our QA team confirm this revision.

Changes to Turn 5

The changes seen in Turn 5 are the result of changes intended for patch 2.2 being implemented in patch 2.16.

An adjustment to enemy target evaluation was made to prevent bugs in encounters for patch 2.2, but this change was also applied to the 2.16 patch, causing Twintania to exhibit unusual behavior.

Prior to patch 2.16, this encounter was designed so that players targeted by Conflagration could not be targeted, but with this change, Twintania will now switch targets if it is determined that the current target cannot be attacked. Because Conflagration does not target the top two players on the enmity list, an often-used strategy is for the player with aggro to enter the Conflagration, thereby negating Twintania's attacks. However, this change in Twintania's behavior has made this tactic more risky to employ.

Because this change would drastically affect established tactics, as well as the difficulty of Turn 5, we will be reverting these changes alongside the revisions being made to Turn 2. Addressing these issues is currently our top priority, and as soon as we have confirmed that the fixes are functioning properly, we will create a patch and take down all Worlds for an emergency maintenance.

I cannot express how sorry I am for the trouble this oversight by our team has caused. An announcement will be made as soon as we've confirmed the time of emergency maintenance, but in the meantime, I ask for your patience as we work to address these issues in a thorough, timely manner.

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Say whatever you want about SE, but they have a SOLID staff of PR/Translation writers for this kind of stuff.

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Originally Posted by Ehayte

Say whatever you want about SE, but they have a SOLID staff of PR/Translation writers for this kind of stuff.

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Agreed. I knew there's always a reason for things like this, and is why I always get mad at the people who start throwing unnecessary insults toward Yoshi-P and co.

I bet some people feel stupid now :D
Thank you, Hvinire.

Gotta love how fast they were at rolling back the changes.

Keep up the good work SE :3

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Originally Posted by Ehayte

Say whatever you want about SE, but they have a SOLID staff of PR/Translation writers for this kind of stuff.

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Perhaps, but things like patch notes still need work, both with 2.15 and 2.16 there was info. missing (or typos/flat out wrong info) in the EN versions that wasn't missing from the other languages..

what about the issue with the snake HP and conflag HP being lower than normal? Was that false or if it was true then is it going to stay that way?

Has to be the first time I've seen someone unfix a bug because it made players not abuse the bug. Most games would want it fixed ASAP.

Thank you se, for locking people that want to legitimately win fight out of your endgame (lack of people doing normal version of fight)

Thanks for the quick (and thorough) response, SE!

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Originally Posted by Mergadeth

what about the issue with the snake HP and conflag HP being lower than normal? Was that false or if it was true then is it going to stay that way?

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It was definitely lower than normal, but there is no mention here.

Anyone know if the divebomb icons are still twice the normal size post emergency maintenance?

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Originally Posted by Zezlar

It was definitely lower than normal, but there is no mention here.

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It was not. 11k pre and post patch.

@Noah: I certainly hope they're the same size still. :<

Thanks for the info and changes Yoshi.P! You guys had me scared for a bit there. :)

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Originally Posted by ForteXX

Thank you se, for locking people that want to legitimately win fight out of your endgame (lack of people doing normal version of fight)

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I didn't realize that wanting to do the rot method means being locked out of coil. Perhaps you should report that as a bug to your life manager. It's certainly not a game related lock out.

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Originally Posted by ForteXX

Has to be the first time I've seen someone unfix a bug because it made players not abuse the bug. Most games would want it fixed ASAP.

Thank you se, for locking people that want to legitimately win fight out of your endgame (lack of people doing normal version of fight)

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The enraged method is just that, a method. No one is exploiting anything.

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Originally Posted by ForteXX

Has to be the first time I've seen someone unfix a bug because it made players not abuse the bug. Most games would want it fixed ASAP.

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They where fixing an unrelated bug (that had a low chance of occurring but still a bug), and fixing that bug and an unintended side effect.

That was therefore a bad fix (specially considering the impact had a worst consequence then the bug itself) and they are reverting it now. Being a software developper(although not a game dev) I can understand fixing an issue that is causing another issue somewhere else...

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Originally Posted by ForteXX

Thank you se, for locking people that want to legitimately win fight out of your endgame (lack of people doing normal version of fight)

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So enrage strat is now preventing you from clearing ADS with the rot method? well if that's the case... file a bug report because the Rot strat should also be a viable strategy...

oh man, the dev-replies to the 2.16 rage-threads were NOT what i was expecting.

• SE came into individual, player created threads, found in sub-forums of sub-forums on their website and, before even implementing the hotfix, and responds to the player concerns if only just to let us know our voices are being heard and that they recognize the problem
• they own up to the fact that, albeit unintended, the problem was their fault and apologized
• whilst owning up to it, even go so far as to inform us how they messed up when they clearly didn't need to
• come up with a reasonable hot-fix to the problem in a rather timely manner
  

respect, SE. respect.

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Originally Posted by ForteXX

Has to be the first time I've seen someone unfix a bug because it made players not abuse the bug. Most games would want it fixed ASAP.

Thank you se, for locking people that want to legitimately win fight out of your endgame (lack of people doing normal version of fight)

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It s not a bug. If they wanted the enrage to mean death for the party, they would have done a hard enrage like they do in the Primal fights: If you don't beat the check, you die. Instead, they use a soft enrage that forces you to rush to finish the fight before you run out of resources (HP and MP) and end up dying.

Big respect to Yoshi for not only owning up to the glitches, but explaining what caused them and their plans to fix them in detail.

That's damn good.

All companies scew up from time to time. What makes a company great is how quickly and transparantly they fix those problems.

Thanks for the heads up SE, was an interesting read as well.

How do you fix something transparently?

making a mistake happens to everyone, acknowledging them is something everyone has to learn

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Originally Posted by ForteXX

Has to be the first time I've seen someone unfix a bug because it made players not abuse the bug. Most games would want it fixed ASAP.

Thank you se, for locking people that want to legitimately win fight out of your endgame (lack of people doing normal version of fight)

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LOL, TBH playing T2 the normal way actually trains your team's coordination skills. It will prepare you well for T5's twisters/dreaknight phase.