'Raids', really?

Oh god if they would add a sky type event, 50% of people would quit immediately I think.

I liked sky. If they just made pop items a little more standardized. instead of different of each god it would have been that much better.

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I based all of my opinions on the most important thing in this world.. Money.

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I wasn't aware Kevin O'leary played FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Oscillate_Wildly

No, people don't want to use it because it's a stigmatized word used to refer to essentially all of WoW's endgame, complicated or not, it's bland it's boring it's dull. It's a little bit of WoW bashing, and a little bit of "oh no that's wrong."

How can you seriously consider a 4-8 person dungeon a 'raid' anyway? It's more like an exploration.

But don't go putting words in our mouths, you're free to your opinion as I am to mine, and to use the word 'raid' to potentially label all group related content from dungeons to missions from here on out would be a travesty and just plain retarded.

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The term "raid" has no requirement in terms of number of participants. I raid my roommate's snack cabinet all the time, yet I am only one person.

And anyways, people who play WoW rarely referred to the raids as "raids." They had names too. Like Molten Core, Naxxramus, Blackwing Lair, Zul'Garab, Karazhan, etc. And these were further shortened to abbreviations: MC, Nax, BWL, ZG, Kara, and so on. Normally players refer to the shortened names. When asked, "What are you doing tonight?" The response would be something like, "Doing MC." Not, "I'm raiding."

It's just a general term that people will rarely use in this game too. Get over it.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

I wasn't aware Kevin O'leary played FFXIV.

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Is that a complement or an insult?

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Originally Posted by Joeking

Is that a complement or an insult?

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Both... he is a billionaire.. Which is a compliment...

But he is also Canadian.... Which is an insult

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Originally Posted by Oscillate_Wildly

No, people don't want to use it because it's a stigmatized word used to refer to essentially all of WoW's endgame, complicated or not, it's bland it's boring it's dull. It's a little bit of WoW bashing, and a little bit of "oh no that's wrong."

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A little bit of WOW bashing? You guys are freaking out and splitting hairs because the devs and community reps dared use a term that's also used in WOW. What's next, you're going to freak out if they call something a 'mailbox' instead of 'delivery mog' or 'bank' instead of 'vault'? The term is not bland, nor dull, nor boring. It's a descriptive term used for a broad range of activities, that may or may not include end-game, and may or may not include over a dozen players. Jesus christ man, it's a WORD.

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How can you seriously consider a 4-8 person dungeon a 'raid' anyway? It's more like an exploration.

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A 'raid' has no requirements on how many members do the raiding. I don't know where this came from.

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But don't go putting words in our mouths, you're free to your opinion as I am to mine, and to use the word 'raid' to potentially label all group related content from dungeons to missions from here on out would be a travesty and just plain retarded.

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I honestly don't know what words I put in your mouth. You don't want to use the term because it's not a FF term. What the real travesty and stupidity here is that you're literally freaking out over the devs using a generic blanket term because another MMO also happens to use this word. It's nothing but a generic term to describe a concept, man. They're not replacing dungeon names with it; otherwise, they wouldn't have named the damn dungeons.

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What is the blanket term used to describe Dynamis, Limbus, Salvage, and other similar places?

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Boring as shit.

All I know is Harrison Ford didn't need 15 people in "Raiders of the Lost Ark"

That movie OWNED

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Boring as s***.

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Boring as shit.

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Exactly, people are talking about XI like it was the godfather of MMO's while most events were time consuming, unrewarding, boring, and unbalanced. We dont need another 3.5 hour dynamis xarcabards with 0-2 AF drops, or sky where you had to farm for 5 hours to get 1 god pop and hoped for 1 decent abjurations.
I dont wanna get my hopes up but atleast this raid concept seems like something easily accessible for everyone, lets just hope it's fun and rewarding also.

I agree with OP, I hope we're not just gonna' end up like WoW with raid/dungeon every patch. I much prefer stuff like dynamis, einherjar, assault etc.

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The term "raid" has no requirement in terms of number of participants. I raid my roommate's snack cabinet all the time, yet I am only one person.

And anyways, people who play WoW rarely referred to the raids as "raids." They had names too. Like Molten Core, Naxxramus, Blackwing Lair, Zul'Garab, Karazhan, etc. And these were further shortened to abbreviations: MC, Nax, BWL, ZG, Kara, and so on. Normally players refer to the shortened names. When asked, "What are you doing tonight?" The response would be something like, "Doing MC." Not, "I'm raiding."

It's just a general term that people will rarely use in this game too. Get over it.

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But in FFXIV's case, you aren't allowed to raid your roommates snack cabinet unless you have 7 other people with you.

hey we don't know exactly what will happen in these dungeons. OP is just talking about the terminology used for these events. I say we just keep calling them by their dungeon names ex: Toto-Rak, Dzemael. Those are unique names.

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hey we don't know exactly what will happen in these dungeons. OP is just talking about the terminology used for these events. I say we just keep calling them by their dungeon names ex: Toto-Rak, Dzemael. Those are unique names.

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There you go, puzzle solved! And since most people playing are previous XI players I highly expect this will be the case.

I have a pretty strong dislike for the WoW terms being used instead of FF terms. ._. Makes me cringe too.


Edit: Imagine if SE simply called Nyzul Isle, Dynamis, and Limbus "raids." Ugh.
I really am hoping this new content gets Final Fantasy names.

I think it's because there's no proper story like in XI that made you go through those dungeons also in XI they just happened to be permanent parts of the world.

Raids are more like shooting ranges of RPG fights to cater to north american audience that like simple stuff and form a large section of the target audience of XIV.

Of course Nyzul, Dynamis, etc were raids. By definition of how raids worked in every other MMO in the last 10 years it's defined by large groups of players tackling bosses either by strategy or zerg.

These new dungeons aren't raids. One hour time limit with a small group. It's a dungeon.

I don't get how people playing XIV could talk crap on XI players, when without them there wouldn't be XIV, they wouldn't of even though of making XIV without a moderately successful previous mmo. XI is still running and has run for almost a decade. There are things I absolutely hate about that game but XI was million times greater than this game, I'm sorry people can't handle not spamming endlessly, and like not partying until they hit max level. XI was directly inspired by EQ and the party based concepts in EQ were heavily in XI. People want that back, there is barely an mmo where partying is important. So if we talk about XI like its effing god father of mmos its because XI was the last great game in a lineage of harder party based mmos. It was literally EQ and then FFXI. EQII was easier. So what should we talk about like its the godfather or grandfather of mmos? WoW? RIft lol. DAoC? AoC? GW? No, EQ and FFXI, because they were directly based off of MUDs and they are revolutionary to MMOS. That's just history so read up or shut up, no one cares about the half garbled crap that mmos are now a days unless you're 15 get over it.

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I have a pretty strong dislike for the WoW terms being used instead of FF terms. ._. Makes me cringe too.


Edit: Imagine if SE simply called Nyzul Isle, Dynamis, and Limbus "raids." Ugh.
I really am hoping this new content gets Final Fantasy names.

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Yes.. Because in WOW they don't call raids or dungeons by their respective names. You know like ICC Blackwing etc... I swear have any of you people even played WOW before? You guys are complaining about stupid sh*t.

I agree with op. Mad? Too bad.

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I don't get how people playing XIV could talk crap on XI players, when without them there wouldn't be XIV, they wouldn't of even though of making XIV without a moderately successful previous mmo. XI is still running and has run for almost a decade. There are things I absolutely hate about that game but XI was million times greater than this game, I'm sorry people can't handle not spamming endlessly, and like not partying until they hit max level. XI was directly inspired by EQ and the party based concepts in EQ were heavily in XI. People want that back, there is barely an mmo where partying is important. So if we talk about XI like its effing god father of mmos its because XI was the last great game in a lineage of harder party based mmos. It was literally EQ and then FFXI. EQII was easier. So what should we talk about like its the godfather or grandfather of mmos? WoW? RIft lol. DAoC? AoC? GW? No, EQ and FFXI, because they were directly based off of MUDs and they are revolutionary to MMOS. That's just history so read up or shut up, no one cares about the half garbled crap that mmos are now a days unless you're 15 get over it.

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She speaks the truth you know...

I dislike MMO terminology too. Where's the individuality and spontanaeity?

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Hootenanny.

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WOMG yes PLEASE!

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WOMG yes PLEASE!

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lol

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I agree with OP, and to explain why :

As many posters before have stated, yes a chocobo is simply said a "mount", and dynamis, limbus, sky etc. qualify as "dungeons/raids". So why this antipathy against these terms ?

Because, for me at least, a chocobo is more than just a mount, and dynamis, limbus, sky etc. could not be generalised under that one and single term "raid" because of the fact that they were way too different events and unique in their atmosphere, rules, strategic approaches needed, etc.

When Devs and Producer's letters (don't forget those are PR actions and should make you at least dream a little) refer to "raids" and "mounts", it isn't the terminology in itself that I dislike, it's what it could imply, a loss of diversity and uniqueness of the FF universe. For example : "chocobos" = implies possible chocobo races ? or digging ? or can we summon them ? can we train them ? casinos maybe ? funny cutscenes ? and so much more, compared to a simple "mount". These terms just lack so much fantasy for a Final Fantasy title.

Now we have already received the hint that we will have "mounts" in form of our beloved chocobos and that they will have more functionalities than just the one of being a mount. I sincerely hope that what has been referred to as "raids" will also bear more to it, maybe also leading to having them named differently after more content is added making them impossible to be regrouped under that one single term "raid". So we'll just have to wait for the future updates to see.

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No, we should call them oubliette-clearing multi-person assemblages.

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Bostaunieux Oubliette? Man I loved clearing that place pause not...

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My opinion has a heavier weight than anybody else.

I know these things because I am awesome, my opinion has more carry than anybody else who has an opinion, people who have an opinion that is exactly like mine do not count because that opinion isn't coming from me directly. My 1 gil is worth more than your 1 gil.

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Get over it already, lol

I must agree with the OP in general - while I think its a bit nit-picky to focus on the terms themselves, the basic idea I agree with. This is Final Fantasy XIV, not a generic SE mmo - it needs to live up to the name as FFXI did.(unfashionable as it is to reference that game for some around here) Raids, mounts, etc. - bland, generic content added without lore, elaborate plot lines, immersion, or any FF style beyond the superficial - just creates a shallow, ineffective copy of industry standards. SE has proven incredibly inept at actually implementing even the simplest of these standards, they need to focus on getting the Final Fantasy part right so that it offers some kind of unique appeal. You can't out-WoW WoW, the industry needs to accept this fact at some point and embrace their own niches, no game is ever going to be as good as WoW trying to do what WoW does in the foreseeable future.

I think they did mention you're required to do some questing to access the dungeons, so I expect them to have some lore and story behind them.

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This would never have happened if it were a Chocobo!

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This would never have happened if it were a Chocobo!

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Because nobody plays FF MMOs?

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Because nobody plays FF MMOs?

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It was a joke at how silly this argument is, sheesh...

Ironically, we were both right on the money.

She def got the money shot.

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This would never have happened if it were a Chocobo!

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Haha this would be really funny if stuff like it actually happened.
Interesting way to meet people who share a.... common interest.

Even sociopaths need a hobby. :D

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I agree with OP, and to explain why :

As many posters before have stated, yes a chocobo is simply said a "mount", and dynamis, limbus, sky etc. qualify as "dungeons/raids". So why this antipathy against these terms ?

Because, for me at least, a chocobo is more than just a mount, and dynamis, limbus, sky etc. could not be generalised under that one and single term "raid" because of the fact that they were way too different events and unique in their atmosphere, rules, strategic approaches needed, etc.

When Devs and Producer's letters (don't forget those are PR actions and should make you at least dream a little) refer to "raids" and "mounts", it isn't the terminology in itself that I dislike, it's what it could imply, a loss of diversity and uniqueness of the FF universe. For example : "chocobos" = implies possible chocobo races ? or digging ? or can we summon them ? can we train them ? casinos maybe ? funny cutscenes ? and so much more, compared to a simple "mount". These terms just lack so much fantasy for a Final Fantasy title.

Now we have already received the hint that we will have "mounts" in form of our beloved chocobos and that they will have more functionalities than just the one of being a mount. I sincerely hope that what has been referred to as "raids" will also bear more to it, maybe also leading to having them named differently after more content is added making them impossible to be regrouped under that one single term "raid". So we'll just have to wait for the future updates to see.

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Yes, because AQ40, ZA, Kara, and Naxx were totally identical. . .

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Yes, because AQ40, ZA, Kara, and Naxx were totally identical. . .

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Dude, these people are afraid of a WORD. They sound almost like crazy grandpas.

The MMO terminology has chanced since FFXI's prime. It's just WORDS, people.

Asking them not to use the words 'raid' is like asking first person shooters not to use the words 'gun'.

Why do people have to complain about every detail?