Why can't we have the ability to create accurate Parser?

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Originally Posted by Lithera

If you PUG two DPS for Coil and cant clear Turn 4 are you going to just boot both PUGs?

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Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser

If people don't know how to take in the information a parser provides then that's their problem, and if they kicked you then they did you a favor since it's a bad group.

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Valid reasons for vote dismiss: AFK, Offline, Harrassment, Cheating. Nowhere in this list do I see an option for "was wasting my time by being a bad/inexperience/undergeared player", and yet I'd guess this is the PRIMARY use people find for this feature. It's very sad to see that folks take it for granted that this tool will be used this way, and even approve of it, when it is neither the intended use for this tool nor even permissable (using it this way is harrassment, and is reportable).

I don't know where I stand on the parser argument, but the opinions of anyone that suggests parsers be used to choose who to vote-kick has should not be given any consideration, as they are abusive players.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

wasting my time

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This is a form of harassment.

Harassment is commonly understood as behaviour intended to disturb or upset, and it is characteristically repetitive.

If someone is being bad and it is repetitive, this disturbs and upsets people.

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Originally Posted by Serdapi

This is a form of harassment.

Harassment is commonly understood as behaviour intended to disturb or upset, and it is characteristically repetitive.

If someone is being bad and it is repetitive, this disturbs and upsets people.

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Players being undergeared/inexperienced might end up wasting the teams time, but it's not harassment, as it's not intentional. They're trying their best to clear the content just like the rest of the team.

And no, you cannot expect everyone to watch videos on and overgear all content before attempting it. That may be some people standards, but it's not a requirement to play the game, nor does it automatically mean those that choose to do otherwise are automatically harassing the team. They're just playing the game in the way they believe it's intended to be played.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrAM

Players being undergeared/inexperienced might end up wasting the teams time, but it's not harassment, as it's not intentional. They're trying their best to clear the content just like the rest of the team.

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This - It's not harassment, it's usually the people who rail on undergeared/new players doing the harassing and can be reported for such.

There is no reason we shouldn't have completely accurate parsers.
I can't believe all the people jumping on here to say we shouldn't allow parsers.

I play the game to min / max and always try to improve. I find damage parsers useful. I don't use them to be a jerk or boost my ego

If people only use the parse for themself and only to improve himself i would be more in favor of having a more accurate parse but since people will use it to check other people performance/dps/hps that why i'm against. Is like letting other people test me or something and that is something I wont allow on a game. If you dont like how I do or w/e ask me and i could share what i do and if the party want me out i will leave.

Parser are nice when they are used for personal info.
Parser are bad when you start kicking, banning people from playing content, and harassing because they don't do XXX DMG or heal XXX HP or what ever issue you come up with for disqualify playing with said person.
And because there is a segment of players that this is how it will end up being used.

The negative out ways the need for personal gains.

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Originally Posted by Noahlimits

How is the fact that it's against the TOS to use a 3rd party (anything) parser off topic? My post was explaining why it's against the TOS and why parsers wouldn't be needed as much in the first place if there weren't enrages and dps races in fights.

You're asking why they aren't allowing you/others to make a better parser; it's because it isn't allowed per TOS.

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how about its impossible to play this game with out using 3rd party anything... your mouse drivers is 3rd party software your keyboard drivers are 3rd party software, video drivers, hell windows is 3rd party software. Some 3rd party software is allowed. Its automation and hack 3rd party software thats not allowed.

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Originally Posted by Verius_Nox

Wrong. DF is for people who don't have a lot of time to devote and want to get a quick dungeon in.

When I roll in as a tank, I'm expected to know my class, know how to keep threat, know every boss, know where to lead people, know where to position mobs/bosses, and know when to interrupt/stun things. Failing ANY of these, I would get vote kicked, harassed, and bullied WITHOUT THE USE OF A PARSER.

Why is it then the moment a damage class is in question as to whether or not they're playing their class correctly, it's this giant problem?

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If you get vote kicked, harassed or bullied for not being a perfect tank, that is an abuse and you should report it and bring SE's ban hammer down on the jerk. What you shouldn't be doing is wishing you had a tool to help you do the same to others.

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Originally Posted by TheCurls

It shouldn't matter. If you wipe, everyone in the party needs to try harder. No parser is necessary.

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Oh man. This is so cute that I smiled heartily. Thank you.

A parser is one of the most useful tools for endgame content, and even more valuable to "big name" guilds. Even in a pug dungeon, PvP, a pug helping a guild out in a raid whatever that 1 persons performance is honestly very important to all party member's.

The argument some use, to just pay attention to what others are doing and its fairly obvious to see who is not pulling there weight is a decent strategy honestly. And, people that claim meters can increase, or even cause elitism in a games community are in some way correct imo. I personally feel people that take that argument are either afraid they will not pull the numbers or are unable too. But, that is in no way the point of this post, and I am sure some that feel that way could top any meter any raid night maybe:confused:

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Originally Posted by Nerva3xO

...lots of words no probably read ;)....

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going to have to learn to type shorter post here lol....anyway since it has a word limit, here is my actual point intended for the post above

Personally I feel a parser is a vital if not mandatory tool for a healer, or a dps at least for me when I first get to max level with a new class or even after a major patch to a classes combat mechanics. Granted 99% of rotations in mmorpgs are fairly easy, and common sense if you read the tool tips (granted I primarily play melee so lol) but I have been raiding for years on multiple games many people have not had that experience and could probably use some help getting rotations, and CD timing down at max level. I do not need it to harass a random in a dungeon parties and in fact normally mute the random try hard that post the meter because he topped on trash or something lol. And, I do not have the time to attempt world first raid kills or anything. But, its use in basic theory crafting, and it providing factual and dissectible information. It is also imo a much better way for a new player to learn their rotation and they will receive actual feedback on mistakes, and more importantly imo when they start to improve. To me that is a better way to learn to dps for example than coming to a raid and causing issue because you are under performing.