[ Dev's ] Gear Swaps Can I have It?

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Originally Posted by weeble

everyone on this post is just screaming noooo with no really good reasons.

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1. Have you seen how long it takes to change say 6 pieces of gear with a macro in this game? It's not instant like in FFXI.
2. Flashing/blinking players
3. Carrying around extra gear
4. There's not enough gear variety in this game yet to make gear swapping useful
5. It's annoying

i read everything and thank you for not reading cause i pretty sure i *** on every excuse as so did Enthy with basically the same reasons i said. you need to read the posts b4 posting yourself.

also roll it been said, if there was a blinkmenot then se could of kept it from happening in ffxi, in ffxiv it could of been faster and without blinks. don't *** on the idea, *** on the way se is implementing it. no matter the reasons for or nay. the idea behind it for me is not destroying old gear or content, also if it don't do that, at the very least it will give players lots of gear to collect, nm's to kill and hunt. more reasons to not quit say dynamisis or a endgame event cause they got the 1 items worth getting instead.

give us more spaces, make it less anoying. don't completly trash it, nor give se a reason to throw out good ideas cause it take them a little work to fix and then just give us a copy of other mmo's. and eventually there will be enough gear if they wanted it that way.

think of it as a bluemage, u needed to collect every spell to use it properly. this was awsome, it took time and was fun to do. this is the same process , swaps do this for every class but with gear.

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Originally Posted by weeble

u probably always kept u'r target on the same 1 dude the hole time. it's exectly what i meant, u'r having problems healing only if u'r not moving from character to character.

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Kept main target on tank. Used <st> for spot healing the other members. If tank likes to swap gear I just spot heal everything. My main was White Mage and I didn't have trouble healing, it was just annoying when my target would disappear off someone that needed a heal ASAP. And yes I used blinkmenot later for this but the point is, NO ONE should have to worry about their target disappearing when targeting party members for a simple heal.

@ weeble

I want to point out you're comparing 2 very different games. While you aggressively scream yes for gear swap you're forgetting how the user interface and UI works, and also including the class system. The vast majority prefer an uncomplicated way of playing this game my friend.

When I look at the AF3 lv90s gears and accessories in FFXI now, the need for swapping is null and greatly reduced anyways. ironic huh?

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Originally Posted by weeble

the idea behind it for me is not destroying old gear or content, also if it don't do that, at the very least it will give players lots of gear to collect, nm's to kill and hunt. more reasons to not quit say dynamisis or a endgame event cause they got the 1 items worth getting instead.

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That's one of the reasons they're adding the Materia System :)

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Originally Posted by weeble

i read everything and thank you for not reading

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I thought I read that you fell asleep at your controller...?

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Originally Posted by weeble

think of it as a bluemage, u needed to collect every spell to use it properly. this was awsome, it took time and was fun to do. this is the same process , swaps do this for every class but with gear.

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You needed to collect every ability to use it properly? What? I have no clue how that relates to gear swapping. And collecting blue mage spells was fun? Sitting around for a chance that an enemy will use the right ability for a chance at learning it? That's your idea of "fun"?

If you're getting so bored with the game's combat to the point where you think gear swaps would actually add some depth, then you've really fallen off the deep end. How about a better combat system in which you're constantly using abilities that actually matter? Your effectiveness in battle should be determined by your knowledge of what skill should be used when, not if you can macro a crapload of gear to one skill.

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Originally Posted by Andrien

@ weeble

I want to point out you're comparing 2 very different games. While you aggressively scream yes for gear swap you're forgetting how the user interface and UI works, and also including the class system. The vast majority prefer an uncomplicated way of playing this game my friend.

When I look at the AF3 lv90s gears and accessories in FFXI now, the need for swapping is null and greatly reduced anyways. ironic huh?

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i quit b4 this, and from what i hear it destroy all other content, thank you for making another point. and as u can see most people left the game or hated those changes. i know i would of,

it is ironic that with one patch they can destroy 5years worth of content and then think it a good idea to start a basis of game play on with this game.

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Originally Posted by RabidSquirrel

You needed to collect every ability to use it properly? What? I have no clue how that relates to gear swapping. And collecting blue mage spells was fun? Sitting around for a chance that an enemy will use the right ability for a chance at learning it? That's your idea of "fun"?

If you're getting so bored with the game's combat to the point where you think gear swaps would actually add some depth, then you've really fallen off the deep end. How about a better combat system in which you're constantly using abilities that actually matter? Your effectiveness in battle should be determined by your knowledge of what skill should be used when, not if you can macro a crapload of gear to one skill.

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umm all you say is expected too, i'm not asking for one or the other, stop being polititians, i not picking one or the other, i want all them things u mention.

also lots of rpg's have a class where u need to collect moves like picture takers that steal your moves threw taking pictures. yes it was entertaining collecting the spells/ gears, i don't get it most of you want solo play in game but u don't like the idea of running around killing mobs for spells/ gears.

stop trying so hard with excuses any reason is simpley put fixable by implemnting correctly, dont' shit on an idea that was good cause they screw it up.

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Originally Posted by weeble

i quit b4 this, and from what i hear it destroy all other content, thank you for making another point. and as u can see most people left the game or hated those changes. i know i would of,

it is ironic that with one patch they can destroy 5years worth of content and then think it a good idea to start a basis of game play on with this game.

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I wont use opinion as facts, since you have not even played up to that level. I have to say, it is quite fun at lv90.

edit: I really hate clinging onto old outdated gears. I'd do lv75 content now and then but seriously, no jokes its only beneficial in the fun factor, and not for the gears.

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Originally Posted by weeble

and as u can see most people left the game or hated those changes. i know i would of,

it is ironic that with one patch they can destroy 5years worth of content and then think it a good idea to start a basis of game play on with this game.

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It's also ironic that you can't see how many people don't want gear swapping back in this game.

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Originally Posted by Andrien

I wont use opinion as facts, since you have not even played up to that level. I have to say, it is quite fun at lv90.

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just count the subs they got left and how many servers they have up?

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Originally Posted by weeble

also lots of rpg's have a class where u need to collect moves like picture takers that steal your moves threw taking pictures.

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lolwut?
/10chars!

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Originally Posted by weeble

it is ironic that with one patch they can destroy 5years worth of content and then think it a good idea to start a basis of game play on with this game.

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OR it could be that SOME of the people from XI migrated to FFXIV and/or some of the other MMO's.

lol ..hell i fi can remember names but i've played at least 2 or 3 rpg's that had classes that collected there spells and moves, i'm sure that is where blue mage came from. did you think it was an original concept of se/ffxi?

I know I moved to XIV around that time.

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Originally Posted by weeble

lol ..hell i fi can remember names but i've played at least 2 or 3 rpg's that had classes that collected there spells and moves, i'm sure that is where blue mage came from. did you think it was an original concept of se/ffxi?

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I never said anything about Blue Mage nor was I arguing if Blue Mage was an original concept lol... And even if I was, it sounds like you don't even have anything to back it up like most of your posts.

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Originally Posted by weeble

also lots of rpg's have a class where u need to collect moves like picture takers that steal your moves threw taking pictures.

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I just thought it was funny saying this out loud lol

While I slightly enjoyed the gear swapping aspect of XI, it also made the game a macro chore and I don't want that implemented into XIV. Gear swaps outside of battle sure, but please no gear swaps in battle. This is just my honest opinion that I feel the game would be better without it.

well in replacement of this they should have spells and moves that are only gotten by nm's, dungeons and hnm's the like so it would be something similar with out the hastle. like a silence spell with that extra stats to it to land a little more often. or even 3-4scroll spell that equals that set for silence.

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Originally Posted by weeble

just count the subs they got left and how many servers they have up?

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go ahead and visit FFXIAH yourself.

For those against it yet want crafting classes to not be 'killed off' gear swaps creates a need for a lot of gear to be made as so few swaps in xi were actual quest/drop gear, most were AH crafted gear.

They're implementing the Materia System to have the option to change old, unused gear into Materia to be socketed into gear of your choice. Old gear will still be useful for something at least.

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Originally Posted by weeble

well in replacement of this they should have spells and moves that are only gotten by nm's, dungeons and hnm's the like so it would be something similar with out the hastle. like a silence spell with that extra stats to it to land a little more often. or even 3-4scroll spell that equals that set for silence.

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They already stated that with the possible introduction of the Job System, they will add quests to unlock abilities for the Jobs.

yeah it means people will be wearing old gear all day like noobs trying to make materia and people making grinds or parties of any sort will need to deal with there party half pimped, there mages healing when a nuke could be added and whatever else to slow down progression. by waythat time could of been used to make those macro's instead :)

Go away troll ><

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Originally Posted by weeble

well in replacement of this they should have spells and moves that are only gotten by nm's, dungeons and hnm's the like so it would be something similar with out the hastle. like a silence spell with that extra stats to it to land a little more often. or even 3-4scroll spell that equals that set for silence.

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i still like this last post, it's when u all stoped raging on me, i guess we do all know that in reality it's just cause your all lazy about anything in a mmo that involves more nm's and fun. more killing, more collecting. you trying to beat the game but there is nooooo end!!

and lmao i'm not a troll look at my post count, i'm hear cause i care bout this game and want to be hear for 700days of gameplay like i was in ffxi. your the one with no true good input on this thread just small little excuses working around the truth of your lazyness and wanted to beat mmo an log in twice a week for endgame and have some leaders tell you how when and what and then feel like a gamer.

WE DON'T WANT IT BACK. Get it through your thick skull there's a reason why the majority don't want it back. SE won't bring people back by implementing something the majority of the people don't want.

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Originally Posted by weeble

i still like this last post, it's when u all stoped raging on me, i guess we do all know that in reality it's just cause your all lazy about anything in a mmo that involves more nm's and fun. more killing, more collecting. you trying to beat the game but there is nooooo end!!

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I already responded to this post. Maybe you should do some of the reading for once. :)

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Originally Posted by weeble

i'm not a troll look at my post count, i'm hear cause i care bout this game and want to be hear for 700days of gameplay like i was in ffxi. your the one with no true good input on this thread just small little excuses working around the truth of your lazyness and wanted to beat mmo an log in twice a week for endgame and have some leaders tell you how when and what and then feel like a gamer.

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First of all, I don't care about your post count.
Second of all, I want this game to thrive too.
Third, what makes me lazy again? I did macros for everything in XI and XIV if that's what you're referring to.
Fourth, what the heck are you talking about on that last part? I don't even know you lol

...yah just no thanks. Its the one thing i hated for FFXI. Being a RDM from the start and not having the time or gil to get dozens of pieces of gear (and therefor looking "amature") was annoying. Too many people ended up relying on it.

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Originally Posted by weeble

working around the truth of your lazyness and wanted to beat mmo an log in twice a week for endgame and have some leaders tell you how when and what and then feel like a gamer.

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It sounds like something traumatized you.

Please do not put this in, it got so bad in 11 that alot of individual spells had gear swaps, this was horrible. I'm glad 14 has steered away from this.

k i'm done with this thread, nothing more to say in it that will change the input anymore. hopefully the devs add this either way but anywho i'm sure instead of time collecting more gear we can all just quit and play a game with pvp instead least after done grabing gears from dungeons we can least have something to do after.

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Originally Posted by Tiss

Please do not put this in, it got so bad in 11 that alot of individual spells had gear swaps, this was horrible. I'm glad 14 has steered away from this.

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Lol it so didn't.

Oh wait you're right, I shifted in 80 different pieces of gear to cast fire :3

.....or you know most of the gear swap in XI mage wise was down to changing an elemental staff that alone added 10/15(30%+ magian) potency to your spell and a healing set to regain MP quicker. Most melee gear swap was adding in accuracy or attack or str.

Then again macros WERE hard to make.

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Originally Posted by weeble

k i'm done with this thread, nothing more to say in it that will change the input anymore. hopefully the devs add this either way but anywho i'm sure instead of time collecting more gear we can all just quit and play a game with pvp instead least after done grabing gears from dungeons we can least have something to do after.

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And again, this brings me back to the Materia System. Stop worrying about your old/unused gear. We'll have the option to make it into something useful.

reminds me of how pop singers change outfits between every song, are you a pop singer?

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Lol it so didn't.

Oh wait you're right, I shifted in 80 different pieces of gear to cast fire :3

.....or you know most of the gear swap in XI mage wise was down to changing an elemental staff that alone added 10/15(30%+ magian) potency to your spell and a healing set to regain MP quicker. Most melee gear swap was adding in accuracy or attack or str.

Then again macros WERE hard to make.

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apprently you never played the game much. take RDM for exp: gear for nuking (elemental sets) gear for fast casting, gear for mp refresh, gear for enfeebles, gear for enhancing, gear for specific abilitys (recast tmers, potency..ect)

Even for DDs it went like that, people went nutz over it, everything from TP set ups (haste mainly) WS (which consist of different stats, since each WS had different modifiers) ability swaps (timers and potency) ..ect

Personally i hated how they made gear that was SOOO specific, it got out of hand and didnt help with the lack of space. People in here already whine about "i dont want level/class specific gear because it takes up too much space" so i dont think this would fly either.

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Originally Posted by Zanfire

apprently you never played the game much.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJeJXMhQJOk < Test Video since campaign is dull (but serious business to some!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FqwVJI4roo < Obligatory solo video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxINcKbxmEs < boredom video

And my main jobs are SCH, PLD, DRK, RDM, COR, BLU and WHM..all jobs that require a lot of gear swapping but not all gear swaps are necessary in all situations (especially post abyssea lol). However it's a gross exaggeration to say you need "a ton of swaps just to cast a spell" when the reality of the situation is you only need to swap a lot of gear if you're under performing in areas, especially as a mage having an HQ staff (back in the day) was really the only thing you had to swap most of the time; For SCH, stacking INT was the main swap for Helicies and so on.

The gear was pretty specific but the only problems with Gear Swaps people had in general was the blinking and low inventory space because SE had our inventories pretty limited for those who played numerous jobs, the swaping itself is painless and not excessively needed unless you're getting resisted out the ass lol since very few enfeebles for example were worth trying to boost it's effect.

`Sides, if you recall SE never intended us to do the whole gear swapping thing lol. I don't know how they intended us to do some things (like enfeeble gods before the adjustments to the skill) but yeah. So the game is playable without "excessive" swapping, it's just if you have an efficiency hardon is when you're packed to the brim with gear swaps.

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Originally Posted by Roll

Even locking on to a player would remove your target from them. That's why people switch out of gear when you auto-follow them and they shoot you into a hungry pack of wolves remember? In "all your life in FFXI" You should remember that much.

If you haven't noticed, the majority don't want this back in this game.

And no, I'm not too lazy to make macros, I made macros for everything in XI and in XIV. Here's one for you:
/ac "Silence" <Notorious Jerk>

and here's a XI version for you:
/ma "Silence" <Elitist>

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ok ok here something you should have learned in FFXI so it seems u joined after abyssea you can make cure macro's to a player

/ma "Cure IV" <p1> and so on and in alliance <a1> <a2> etc etc ... so blinking wouldnt effect in any way because the code would find player either blinking or not hehhehehehe nice try go back get brady games handbook LMAO