2.15 Patch discussion

I don't understand a few things.
Why make beast tribes dailies harder? People complained they were too easy?
Why increase the cost of some random vendor items?o.o

For the rest, sad no retainer, happy about GP and inability to "play" with DF for CT. But why are they adding even more furnishing, if even the one we already have is pretty much useless since only few have an house?<.< I feel mocked.

I am OK with patch but there some things which need to be improved or changed :

1.

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It has been determined that pre-formed parties of three often have an unfair advantage in the Wolves’ Den. However, the addition of a solo-matching category would not only increase queue times, but hinder smaller parties that wish to participate together. Therefore, the following adjustments have been made to rewards based on party composition:
Players who register for the Wolves' Den solo or in a party of two will receive increased PvP Exp and Wolf Marks regardless of the match's outcome.
Players who register for the Wolves' Den in a light party (four players) will receive increased PvP Exp and Wolf Marks regardless of the match's outcome.

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- Regarding my PVP experience not only in FFXIV but also other games, players preffer better matchmaking system over queue times.
- According real data from other PVP games when you put premade players or premade small groups against pugs/random it almost always end as "completly disaster" for pug/random

Sugestion: random player should be queued only against random players. If there is party of 2 players they should be queued against party of 2 + 2 randoms ...etc.

2 . Regarding vote abandon and "join in progress" etc, I already made my suggestion here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1805307

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Originally Posted by meJojo

Where's my third retainer?

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Currently running Thornmarch for you.

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Originally Posted by Shikiseki

SE: "Changes for PvP will only affect PvP!!! /bows"
PN: "Miasma/II also is nerfed for PvE"
ME: "Ugh~ I knew it -__-;"

But seriously, why did I knew that this nerf will hit my pve again!? If you hate this class so much, just remove it already!
The healing disease debuff was really situational to begin with but now it's worse than before.
I don't get why you have to nerf our PvE "utility" just because of PvP.

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Because people said Yoshi would never lie, mislead us or change his mind. No matter what anyone says, whether you like it or hate it, PVP ruins PvE sooner or later.

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

Why increase the cost of some random vendor items?o.o

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so there is a reason to look in the AH first

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Because people said Yoshi would never lie, mislead us or change his mind. No matter what anyone says, whether you like it or hate it, PVP ruins PvE sooner or later.

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In how many PvE situations is the miasma nerf (less heal effect reduction on your enemy) critical? To kill the enemy healer first should always be priority #1

I don't think those of you saying nerfing Miasma/II and Storm's Eye realize how much a -50% healing debuff is... I could solo a FATE boss that would use cure as WAR due to that debuff, at level 50. With a level 49 FATE Boss. It's crazy, but we'll live... Perhaps they are hinting a new primal/boss will have healing mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Shikiseki

SE: "Changes for PvP will only affect PvP!!! /bows"
PN: "Miasma/II also is nerfed for PvE"
ME: "Ugh~ I knew it -__-;"

But seriously, why did I knew that this nerf will hit my pve again!? If you hate this class so much, just remove it already!
The healing disease debuff was really situational to begin with but now it's worse than before.
I don't get why you have to nerf our PvE "utility" just because of PvP.

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Considering the ONLY change to those that was for both PvE AND PvP, was stated as for both, and was only the healing reduction part of it. I can only think of one boss off the top of my head where it would be useful and that could be why they nerfed it for PvE as well.

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Originally Posted by Ildur

Didn't one of their PvP changes already hit PvE before? Specifically stuns. I remember running Ifrit HM before the 2.1 patch and the paladins never had any problems stunning the hell out of him whenever needed. After the patch, the paladins had to start saying "He's going to resist" even though they were the only ones using stuns.

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That wasn't a pvp change. They fixed Diminishing returns because it wasn't working like it was supposed to.

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Originally Posted by Felis

so there is a reason to look in the AH first

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Then why just for ingots and not for all of the items? I just don't see what those have so special.

Didn't one of their PvP changes already hit PvE before? Specifically stuns. I remember running Ifrit HM before the 2.1 patch and the paladins never had any problems stunning the hell out of him whenever needed. After the patch, the paladins had to start saying "He's going to resist" even though they were the only ones using stuns.

"Difficulty of the following FATEs required to unlock the Labyrinth of the Ancients has been decreased:
The Storm Caller / He's a Firestarter / Making Waves / Stopping the Shakes"

.....thank

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Originally Posted by Ildur

Didn't one of their PvP changes already hit PvE before? Specifically stuns. I remember running Ifrit HM before the 2.1 patch and the paladins never had any problems stunning the hell out of him whenever needed. After the patch, the paladins had to start saying "He's going to resist" even though they were the only ones using stuns.

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Stunning was kinda broke before 2.1...you really shouldn't have been able to stun almost all the Eruptions in HM. Bred lazy ranged which in turn made them bad at dodging plumes in Titan...

I was happy when i saw that fourth treasure chest in CT, than I read on and saw it was for a furnishing item <,<

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Originally Posted by Suellen

I'm beyond pissed about the nerf on Thornmarch. I haven't even had a chance to TRY the thing yet. I mean COME ON! you release a patch. It's during the holidays some have time to play and there's nothing wrong with that. But me? I was visiting family for 2 weeks. Come back happy as a clam to try out this new patch... but... I'm already seeing this content getting nerfed? I might not have a ton of time on my hands but I'm not some g*d d*mn farmville convert. I LIKE challenges. I LIKE seeing the freakin' content I'm paying for before it gets nerfed to the freaking GROUND. I'm mean christ it's been only 4 weeks since 2.1 released and the content is already receiving nerfs? *flips monitor*

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Uninstall and quit if you're that upset.

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Originally Posted by Jennifer_Uppercut

Uninstall and quit if you're that upset.

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54 days until the end of the subscription period here.
Looking forward to investing this budget into a product of a company which, for a change, does not treat customer like primary school kids.

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Originally Posted by SolArisa

54 days until the end of the subscription period here.
Looking forward to investing this budget into a product of a company which, for a change, does not treat customer like primary school kids.

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Why are ppl so mad about this game being so easy? I dont get it, don't ppl want everything to be like "The MMO that shall not be named" Cause that MMO makes everything so easy that a new born can beat it. And u do it in this game cause ppl all go crazy saying they want it and than when SE does it everyone screams its to easy that a new born can beat it.

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Originally Posted by SolArisa

54 days until the end of the subscription period here.
Looking forward to investing this budget into a product of a company which, for a change, does not treat customer like primary school kids.

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Unrelated, but funny thing about your signature - I recall lots of people disagreeing with that kind of statement during P2 beta since "it was perfect." :)

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Originally Posted by Norack

Why are ppl so mad about this game being so easy? I dont get it, don't ppl want everything to be like "The MMO that shall not be named" Cause that MMO makes everything so easy that a new born can beat it. And u do it in this game cause ppl all go crazy saying they want it and than when SE does it everyone screams its to easy that a new born can beat it.

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It's not so much that people are "mad" about, it's the fact it's been recent trend for MMOs to be faceroll easy and they all end up flopping within a 3 months - a year after launch or end up moving to F2P/B2W in order to ...actually be worth it. Lots of people are just tired of devs falling back rather than moving forward, especially when SE has shown they have the creativity and talent to push genres forward. (Both Square and Enix.) Take XI for example, it was an "EQ Clone" yet you never sat there thinking: "Meh, EQ..if I wanted to play EQ I'd play EQ"...you pretty much thought: "This actually feels like a FF game" because Square was creative enough to actually do something different than just "stick with what works."

So it's not really about "being mad" it's more like "why?"

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Originally Posted by KoujiGeki

The difficulty of Thornmarch has been decreased. lmao really?! it was already 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000x easier than 1.0, now its even easier? jesus how easy do you people want this game.

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They've already said, repeatedly, that when new content is being added they'll reduce the difficulty on previous content to allow people to catch up. This will be the norm.

Personally, I logged on this morning and changed to MNR and was immediately happy to see my GP didn't have to regen from 0 as it previously would. That is awesome. Very happy about that.

"In order to prevent RMT abuse, bronze beetles in the Wanderer's Palace will no longer yield gil."

Why not just remove gil all together and the marketboards ._.

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Originally Posted by Naberrie

They've already said, repeatedly, that when new content is being added they'll reduce the difficulty on previous content to allow people to catch up. This will be the norm.

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Alright - So where's my new content? I don't see any additional dungeons or new primals added in 2.15 :p

Those freckles are a bit disappointing.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Alright - So where's my new content? I don't see any additional dungeons or new primals added in 2.15 :p

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Fair enough. But I think it's in anticipation if the new content coming in 2.2. Anything story related you should expect a difficulty drop on at some point as new content is added or just prior to.

"The aesthetician will now offer additional face paint options."

There is a single option of freckles, unless they are counting colors as options.

Overall, I'm disappointed with the freckles. Due to the small selection of colors they make you look like you suffer from rosacea or like someone attacked you with a spray bottle full of paint. Its hard to make them look natural outside of a small range of skintones.

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Originally Posted by Espon

Since beetles are relatively easy to kill and there's nothing nearby to kill you, I would assume bots would teleport to each spawn point, AoE them down, then abandon the duty and queue again with another bot replacing the penalized one.

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There's no penalty if it was a premade of 4 bots.

Kind of sucks that they were abusing it since I enjoyed killing the beetles after everyone else had left the instance after the last boss.

They adjusted duty roullete low level to represent mid level dungeons as well.

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Originally Posted by Bufkus

There's no penalty if it was a premade of 4 bots.

Kind of sucks that they were abusing it since I enjoyed killing the beetles after everyone else had left the instance after the last boss.

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You can still do it, given 2 of the chests people ignore have beetles around them. And one of them drops the bloody bow rims and bloody grimoire bindings, two extremely valuable pre-relic mats (8-10k for bow 25-35k for grimoire on Leviathan).