T2 Enrage problem

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

If you don't understand why party finder groups does not equate to all groups,

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If you read my OP you would know that I am not talking about premade/static parties.

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Originally Posted by MACEenyo

If you read my OP you would know that I am not talking about premade/static parties.

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Then this isn't a problem. If you aren't using a pre-made or static party, start doing so if you don't like it.

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Originally Posted by LiadansWhisper

Also, you're ignoring the main gist of my point in response to you: You have absolutely no way of knowing the actual statistics of party comp being put together in the party finder. What's more, it is none of your business if groups choose to take one tank, two tanks, or 8 tanks. Just like it is none of your business if groups choose to take one WHM and one SCH, or 4 WHM and 3 SCH. If it were your business, you'd have access to the internal information that would provide accurate statistics on the subject, instead of numbers you just pulled out of your backside.

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It's not hard to open up Party Finder and see that most all Turn 2 parties are using this method. I would have said 100% but I understand that probably 5% still do it the right way.

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Also, yes it is my business. I play a PLD as my main class. My argument is for all the people that use PF exclusively to do content in this game. As it stands now, in Party Finder, for every 40 Tanks that clear Turn 2, 120 Healers are clearing it. That is a 1:3 ratio. There are not going to be enough Healers to heal the remaining tanks at the end of the day. THATS ALL I AM SAYING. If you are in a static, great. That has nothing to do with the issue I am addressing.

Also, I have almost every class leveled. So if your suggestion/solution is to level an alt well, sure it may work for people to get some experience. (As I did last night, I cleared Turn 2 with my il.64 WHM, I didn't get to loot the tank gear btw) It is however not a solution.

Why can't you just make your own party then if you feel so sternly about this?

Edit: wrong forum sorry.

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Originally Posted by MACEenyo

It's not hard to open up Party Finder and see that most all Turn 2 parties are using this method. I would have said 100% but I understand that probably 5% still do it the right way.

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And you're on the party finder on my realm, and everyone else's realms, too?

Wait...wait, you're not? Oh, okay. So in other words, you are looking at the party finder on your realm at specific times and deciding that this is how it is 100% of the time - not only on your realm, but on all realms.

What are statistics and how do they work?

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Originally Posted by MACEenyo

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Also, yes it is my business. I play a PLD as my main class. My argument is for all the people that use PF exclusively to do content in this game. As it stands now, in Party Finder, for every 40 Tanks that clear Turn 2, 120 Healers are clearing it. That is a 1:3 ratio. There are not going to be enough Healers to heal the remaining tanks at the end of the day. THATS ALL I AM SAYING. If you are in a static, great. That has nothing to do with the issue I am addressing.

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It's still not your business. It is still not your business if another party chooses not to take you. No one is obligated to take you to Coil - or anywhere else. If you can't get into a party finder group, make your own. Stop complaining on the forums and go out and do for yourself. There wasn't room for me in my FC's static, so you know what I did? I went out and got my own static. I didn't go to party finder and demand that people take me (granted, we didn't have party finder at the time, but I still would not have done it). I didn't post threads on the forums complaining that some people were playing in a way I didn't like and thus I wasn't able to raid with them (why you would want to raid with people who play in a way you don't like is beyond me). I went out, and I did for myself.

Go out, and do for yourself instead of worrying about what everyone else is doing, and complaining that people won't take you to bloody Coils.

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Also, I have almost every class leveled. So if your suggestion/solution is to level an alt well, sure it may work for people to get some experience. (As I did last night, I cleared Turn 2 with my il.64 WHM, I didn't get to loot the tank gear btw) It is however not a solution.

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Then you were running with jerks, dude. Stop running with jerks and your problems will be solved.

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Originally Posted by TeaTimeBear

Why can't you just make your own party then if you feel so sternly about this?

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Exaaaaaaactly.

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Originally Posted by TeaTimeBear

Why can't you just make your own party then if you feel so sternly about this?

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Try to understand please. What you just said is PRECISELY the problem. Every tank and his grandma is starting their own T2 Enrage party. Therefore, since Coil has a lock on it(once you clear you can not clear a 2nd time), THERE IS GOING TO INEVITABLY be a Healer shortage. This is my argument.

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Originally Posted by MACEenyo

Try to understand please. What you just said is PRECISELY the problem. Every tank and his grandma is starting their own T2 Enrage party. Therefore, since Coil has a lock on it(once you clear you can not clear a 2nd time), THERE IS GOING TO INEVITABLY be a Healer shortage. This is my argument.

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And your point is? No one is obligated to raid with you. No one is obligated to raid with you or anyone else. If this is a problem for you, make your own bloody group.

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Originally Posted by LiadansWhisper

Go out, and do for yourself instead of worrying about what everyone else is doing, and complaining that people won't take you to bloody Coils.

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I am not complaining that people will not "take me to bloody coils". I am not complaining at all. I am trying to make other people see the argument I am making. Its called debate.

Also, You have a reading comprehension problem. Please stop posting in the thread I created. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by MACEenyo

I am not complaining that people will not "take me to bloody coils". I am not complaining at all. I am trying to make other people see the argument I am making. Its called debate.

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You have a 9 page thread of you throwing a fit because people are playing in a manner you don't agree with, claiming there is this great "healer shortage" (despite the fact that the bulk of the "healers" who end up healing T2 enrage strat are DPS or tanks who go healer spec, at least on my server) that will prevent tanks from being able to ever see the rest of Coils!!!! I mean, leaving out the entire problem that if a group can't get past Turn 2 without using the Enrage Strat, they're not going to make it past Turn 4 or anything. But you're not complaining? Um, sure.

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Also, You have a reading comprehension problem. Please stop posting in the thread I created. Thanks.

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You have an entitlement problem. And, if you only want people posting in your thread that agree with you (what was that about debate again?), you probably shouldn't post it on a public forum. Just sayin'...

OK so this is so much fun reading all the people crying tears over this method lol.

First of not intended? So you
Never speed ran wp
Never used the cannons
Never used a fate to grind up levels
Do I need to go on and on? I've got a list for days of the things I know 99% of the people who are complaining about the enrage method has done some sort of "exploit" lol and the bestbest one was if they don't do it properly then they should not get the loot. Guess we should take back 99% of the players gear because you know no one speed runs or lock outs. Better revert 99% of people's storyline and all the loot that they collected because you know the used cannons. If you Pissed about a tank to healer ratio... Make you own group?. Because I know everyday of every second of your life you don't do things 100% right so get off the stool of yours and just make your own party and stop being some hero of final Fantasy when your actually just a hypocrite

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Originally Posted by Stryker12

Never speed ran wp
Never used the cannons
Never used a fate to grind up levels

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1.While speed running you bear the brunt of the mechanics, you just overgear them.
2.The cannons were placed there for a reason.
3.How is that even a comparison? o_0

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Originally Posted by Stryker12

Make you own group?

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People seriously have a reading comprehension problem here. If he does make his own group it will only make the matter worse.

The funny thing about all this is that OP assumes that the population in the game is a 1:1 healer to tank ratio to begin with. Also we are assuming that there is a 1:1 ratio of healers to tanks who are geared and able to do coil as well. On my server this isn't even the case primarily because when I need to fill for my static, its usually not tanks I need but healers. When I look for tanks I usually get them pretty quickly. YMMV.

Edit: OP is on my server. /thread.

OP, if you have a problem on your server with this, post in your server's forum.

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Originally Posted by coffeepotz

OP, if you have a problem on your server with this, post in your server's forum.

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I am not on the OPs server but if I do look in party finder and see the same thing as him. A bunch of people on T2 with rage strat in the comment 3 healers 1 tank 4 dps. Now this doesn't matter to me I have my own group and do not use the rage strat.

The simple fix for this is like I already said to SE to patch the fight to make the rage kill you then people would have to do the fight the intended way and not cheese it with rage strat.

Can anyone here prove it is unintended, and not just an alternate strategy? I see a lot of speculation, but no proof.

SE didn't change Titan HM because everyone runs the fight with only 1 tank. Why not post about that?

Tanks having a hard time finding coil groups? Welcome to what dps have always had to deal with (especially melee).

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Originally Posted by coffeepotz

Can anyone here prove it is unintended, and not just an alternate strategy? I see a lot of speculation, but no proof.

SE didn't change Titan HM because everyone runs the fight with only 1 tank. Why not post about that?

Tanks having a hard time finding coil groups? Welcome to what dps have always had to deal with (especially melee).

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They didn't change it, but they made it where it's almost always required to have two tanks in the extremes (with the exception being the one youtube video where they burn through phases and one tank it). They learned from their mistakes I guess.

Let's see how many people will miss the point today.

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Originally Posted by MACEenyo

Let's see how many people will miss the point today.

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Lol @ fishing for responses in a dead thread.

we're all pretty new to coil in my FC and just did T2 first time the weekend and wiped in enrage mode. don't exactly know why.
me as a brd had ballad up, 3 healers, one tank, 4 dps, and still we wiped because healers who spammed all those aoe cures ran out of mana.
what went wrong?

Tanks are so rare comparatively, I for one am glad for any duty that you only need 1 tank...

Of cause a few, like me, have tanks as secondary classes. But sadly we are not geared thanks to.... lock out!!!

I don't know the exact conditions, but my first impression is that you lack DPS making the fight drag on too long.

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@Reishi

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Originally Posted by Shirai

I don't know the exact conditions, but my first impression is that you lack DPS making the fight drag on too long.

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@Reishi

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all got ilv between 76 and 80 with +1 weapon. got brd, blm, drg and mnk.

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Originally Posted by Reishi

we're all pretty new to coil in my FC and just did T2 first time the weekend and wiped in enrage mode. don't exactly know why.
me as a brd had ballad up, 3 healers, one tank, 4 dps, and still we wiped because healers who spammed all those aoe cures ran out of mana.
what went wrong?

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Give it some time before using the next AoE to minimize over healing.

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Originally Posted by Ri_ri

Give it some time before using the next AoE to minimize over healing.

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like waiting 1 or 2 secs after the aoe cd is over? will try that this week :D ty

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Originally Posted by Thorauku

Heck, I've read that even 2 healers can do it.

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Yes, that is possibble. We did try this on sunday. 1x Paladin, 2x Whitemage, 3x Bards, 1x Dragon, 1x Blackmage. It is a bit more tricky and we needed 3 tries, till we successed. But finally we got through.

Actually enrage is totally doable with 2 healers if paralysis is silenced properly and there is one bard in party.... Forget that 2 healers in enrage is only for elite players with full 90s - it is a smth players with lower average ilvl came up by themselves....
We are usually going with a more/less static group - 2 pld, 1 brd, 1 smn, 1 blm, 1 drg, 1 whm, 1 sch. Before T2 1 pld switches to mnk (not 100% needed, but ADS goes down faster - helps if healers are not that well geared)....
Have seen groups wiping even with 3 healers - 3rd healer should be like a safety vest if smb messes up and gets paralysis on all group not to make him spam aoe heals all the time and then all 3 healers are out of mana (should only happen in not so well geared party with 2 healers who are trying a bit hard)...

I would like to see SE keep the rot mechanic going through the enrage...just to force people into the true beat-the-clock nature of this turn.

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Originally Posted by Leraje

You can clear that turn even through the enrage mode with 1-2 Tank o.O Just let the PLD use Sword Oath and the WAR deactivates Defiance.
It's pretty simple and can be done this way too. The other aspect is that the party needs to accept it that they have to go with 2 tanks because you need 2 tanks in turn 4 anyway.
That's all i have to say about this. =)

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this is why I'm leveling WHM to 50. I can drop as a tank for T2, use WHM for T2, then go back to PLD for T3-5

Really don't see what's the problem forming a pt, SE has implanted so many mechanism to form pt for duties.
There are so many ways to setup a pt, if you don't like how others do it, form your own pt, problem solve.
I've cleared T2 both ways, the only time we did Enrage method is cuz' our brd couldn't do the regular method right, and decided to go with Enrage, cleared it the first time with 2pld 2 healers.
Just form your own pt and make friends, the old ways, don't depend on others nor the system to find pt for you.
If you've played FFXI, you'll know this isn't even an issue nor bother to mention.

Make friends, young grasshopper.

on my server i see alot more groups for t2 enrage strats then groups planning to go to t4 so i can understand the OP's dilemma. seems people clear t1 like normal, form enrage group for t2 then they are done with coil for the week.

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Originally Posted by Tagihi

just waiting for the day they will fix the enrage and 9999 dmg :) it will come!

silence rotation with 1 scholar extra slot for dps :)

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They are not fixing this. SE has already stated it is a viable strategy and no plans are going to come into place to do anything about it.

Why do people keep assuming T2 enrage requires 3 healers? Do it with 2 and call it a day. Bring an extra DPS or a second tank, problem solved.

yeah, pls fix ifrit hard mode too, 6 healers and 2 summoners, tanks are left behind

http://youtu.be/2QHBEKnmaWY

im jk here

and tanks, start to level up arcanist or cojurer to have an alt healer, also, most of tanks have conjurer/whm at lvl 34 for stoneskin, and ilvl 70 is so easy to get now, i have nightmares where im in castrum, omg, all that time in there hehehe