Planned Adjustments to PvP

Cover and hallowed ground are not bugged. Are you playing with a team or solo queueing?

i think there are some paladins out there that never bothered reading cover skill description... it works like it says 100% of the time... if youre in the range the skill tells you to be from your target... and a good combos is cover on target and hallowed on self...so you dont take collateral damage from other classes while taking lets say all your healers damage...

@Fyreus If you have time go watch Sleepyknight's stream on Twitch. He's playing with a paladin tank who uses cover when needed and it works everytime his target stays in range of it.

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Originally Posted by GYX

Fight against any above average SMN comp and come back saying the same, I dare you. It's just absurd when you can kill both SMN AND HEALER 4 times and still manage to lose because your healer just can't keep up anymore.

In short, apples and oranges.

That rez means an entirelly different thing both in PVP and PVE. Imagine if instead of fighting 1 raid boss as usual, you have to fight 2, split dps because if you leave one without enough preassure will keep healing the other, and after you kill one the one alive can rez the other instantly and do so again every minute.

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Fought a few raid mobs like that.

Really getting a good laugh out of all these SMNs and SCHs tossing out the flak at everyone because they will probably be getting nerfed. Literally seeing fights where the SMNs are getting more damage than the combined damage output of the other 7 players fighting in the match.

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no butcher's block (hits like a truck)

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True but BB is OP as hell and will probably get nerfed. They did mention there were other adjustments besides smn. SMN has 2 attacks in its PvP skill set, neither of which come anywhere near this, even the two of them combined don't touch it.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

True but BB is OP as hell and will probably get nerfed. They did mention there were other adjustments besides smn. SMN has 2 attacks in its PvP skill set, neither of which come anywhere near this, even the two of them combined don't touch it.

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Why would Butcher's Block get nerfed? Combo Potency 280 is not as great as DRGs Combo Potency 330. Rage of Halone is 260, but they can use Sword Oath. MRD/WAR doesn't have a stance that increases DPS the way PLD does.

Please don't report people jumping. They're not doing anything the game doesn't explicitly allow, and not everyone mines the forums for dev posts.

The devs need to fix the jump issue, until then it's a very basic inherent part of the game so it's fair game.

This is coming from a PLD, too.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Greetings, everyone!

Last night, Yoshida made a post on the upcoming changes scheduled to take place for PvP that I wanted to share with you all!

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I really wish they would remove ressing from wolves den. I personally think something like ressing in a arena type PvP is just dumb. BGs is where that should be allowed.

Has anyone tried Archer as a class? You don't really gain much skill wise using the bard stone (other than foes). Cross class mercy stroke and you have 2 execution skills.

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Originally Posted by Aleisterz

I really wish they would remove ressing from wolves den. I personally think something like ressing in a arena type PvP is just dumb. BGs is where that should be allowed.

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No. That would be terrible.

Here is the problem with Summoner's in pvp it's not the skill of the player that makes the Summoner OP or their damage it's parties ignoring them and letting them get there dots set up now if a Tank sits on a Sumomer they will be immobilized and damage potential is useless. No matter what an equally skilled Tank will defeat an equally skilled Summoner it's a brute fact. If anything needs to be nerves is leash and sleep cause right no the real PvP balance is Black Mage>Healer>Tank>Dragoon>Bard>Summoner=Monk.

What really needs to be nerfed is the Bard I lost count the number of times on Bard has destroyed my entire party

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Originally Posted by Rawkzor

Why would Butcher's Block get nerfed? Combo Potency 280 is not as great as DRGs Combo Potency 330. Rage of Halone is 260, but they can use Sword Oath. MRD/WAR doesn't have a stance that increases DPS the way PLD does.

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I dont care what the "Combo Potency" is, I only care about the actual damage I get hit for. what I know is it seems to do a lot more damage than my fester with all dots (potency 300), or my pvp skills (potency 170).

Its funny that you're even including rage of halone in that sentence... RoH never deals like 1500+ damage, in large part because PLD doesn't have access to as many damage boosting cooldowns.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I dont care what the "Combo Potency" is, I only care about the actual damage I get hit for. what I know is it seems to do a lot more damage than my fester with all dots (potency 300), or my pvp skills (potency 170).

Its funny that you're even including rage of halone in that sentence... RoH never deals like 1500+ damage, in large part because PLD doesn't have access to as many damage boosting cooldowns.

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The 1500+ damage isn't because butcher's block is really strong, it's because we can burn all our attack cooldowns and use the pvp ability that lowers a targets damage resistance by 20% and does a DoT. Any class can burn damage buffs to do a ton of damage, the tanks you run into doing that are probably just better geared with high crit.

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Originally Posted by Akiza

What really needs to be nerfed is the Bard I lost count the number of times on Bard has destroyed my entire party

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that is a really strange thing to say, considering everyone else has lost count of times they wiped to SMN or BLM sleeping people or running around spamming very instant debuffs that are very heavy. SMN can basically spam miasma 2 and that is 40% healing gone for other PT. ontop of that there is all other DOT and pet running around. please let me know how you are getting wiped by classes that cant sleep, raise, long CD shadowbind, average DPS, not being able to sprint due to loss of TP? it is very strange. I guess you would be satisfied if they removed BRD bow and tied their hands together!

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Originally Posted by Regis

No. That would be terrible.

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Says the summoner who probably does exactly what makes me say to remove the spell. You know cause bringing one to three players that can ress and push a duration of a fight to make it possible to get up to 5 resses totally fair in a arena style PvP, super fair. :)

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Originally Posted by Akiza

Summoner's are the easiest class to shut down

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Summoners easiest to shut down? Reaaaaaally?

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Originally Posted by Akiza

it's parties ignoring them and letting them get there dots set up now if a Tank sits on a Sumomer they will be immobilized and damage potential is useless... PvP balance is Black Mage>Healer>Tank>Dragoon>Bard>Summoner=Monk.

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Originally Posted by Akiza

What really needs to be nerfed is the Bard

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Oh boy.
Even if a tank sits on you, you can still get all of your dots on and burst.

Alternatively, you shouldn't let him be touching you because Miasma/Disease is incredibly stupid and crushes melee (actually everyone, but yeah).
Bards are annoying as a caster, but nerfed? Probably not.

Summoner offers so much more than anyone. Sustained, burst, utility, battle rez, a set-and-forget interrupt bot, and so on.
I'm really not sure what the people defending them think really happens in PvP.

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Balance adjustments on pet class/jobs

This mainly applies on arcanist, summoner and scholar but their total ability, when taking into consideration the master and pet, exceeds way beyond other classes that it is affecting the overall balance in the Wolves’ Den. Thus several adjustments will be made to these class/jobs, but they will only apply while in the Wolves’ Den. Also to note that minor adjustments are planned to be made on other jobs based on the data gathered so far.

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Please SMNs, where's your proof that you don't deserve a nerf when SE gathered the information through their own data and research. :confused:
Personally I think you are just too annoyed to be "again" nerfed after the fiasco of losing "Thunder" from the THM. And again those adjustments are only made to balance the pvp.
By the way not only the SMN/SCH gets some adjustments ^^
Although I can imagine they will possibily nerf the MRD/WAR a little bit. Let us just wait for more information.

[QUOTE=Quackley;1732528]Summoners easiest to shut down? Reaaaaaally?



Oh boy.
Even if a tank sits on you, you can still get all of your dots on and burst.

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Not really if a Tank sits on a Summoner and stun and interrupt they'll be shut down considering one hit interrupts spells and it takes forever to cast our rotation unless PvP is like the trailer where everyone is letting each other attack each other in turns which never happens. Usually as a Summoner I get sleep by a Black Mage or White Mage and than everyone unleashes in all out attack and I'm dead before I get off a cast. Even if I cast Equilibrium I still get slaughtered by the entire party.

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Originally Posted by Leraje

Please SMNs, where's your proof that you don't deserve a nerf when SE gathered the information through their own data and research. :confused:
Personally I think you are just too annoyed to be "again" nerfed after the fiasco of losing "Thunder" from the THM. And again those adjustments are only made to balance the pvp.
By the way not only the SMN/SCH gets some adjustments ^^
Although I can imagine they will possibily nerf the MRD/WAR a little bit. Let us just wait for more information.

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Square information and research is coming from this fantasy world PvP where players are letting each other get off their rotation which doesn't happen in real pvp in actual pvp Summoner's and Black Mages will be dead in the 1st 10s of the Wolves Den my PvP record by the is too abysmal for Summoner's to be nerfed. Unless they make it so nothing interrupts casting Summoner's should not be nerfed we should be buffed in terms of damage really because we have low defense and can't take a hit.

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Originally Posted by Akiza

Not really if a Tank sits on a Summoner and stun and interrupt they'll be shut down considering one hit interrupts spells and it takes forever to cast our rotation unless PvP is like the trailer where everyone is letting each other attack each other in turns which never happens. Usually as a Summoner I get sleep by a Black Mage or White Mage and than everyone unleashes in all out attack and I'm dead before I get off a cast. Even if I cast Equilibrium I still get slaughtered by the entire party.

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You've got peels in the form of Blizzard 2/Tri-disaster, and Miasma 2 + Sprint is enough to get away from a melee.
Go crossclass Surecast in addition to Equanimity.

Summoners have it INCREDIBLY easy when it comes to damage interrupting.
You've got a very large amount of instants.

I'm sorry, but if you're struggling so much that you think summoners are near the bottom of the food chain, something is very wrong. :/

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Originally Posted by Fyreus

Cover is bugged and cover+hallowed ground doesn't do what it should on paper.

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Originally Posted by Rainsworth

Cover and hallowed ground are not bugged. Are you playing with a team or solo queueing?

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Originally Posted by Rainsworth

GLD and MRD are only 2 tank classes in the game, 1 being more defensive and the other one being more offensive so yes you can compare them. Good paladins know when to use cover and spirits within (I'm speaking from a 3-4 man queueing point of view, not solo queueing). As for hallowed ground, it does work in pvp.

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Originally Posted by Warthain

Hallowed works against every skills being cast after hallowed is deployed, current dots and skills used during hallowed animation before the buff is counting will still go through and kill you in the process if your hp is low... i just dont know if after hallowed is deployed if any dots you have are still hitting you or if they get removed/do no damage.

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Originally Posted by Warthain

i think there are some paladins out there that never bothered reading cover skill description... it works like it says 100% of the time... if youre in the range the skill tells you to be from your target... and a good combos is cover on target and hallowed on self...so you dont take collateral damage from other classes while taking lets say all your healers damage...

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcQNy...ature=youtu.be

At my posting limit but here goes:

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Originally Posted by Rainsworth

Your video shows that cover DOES work as long as your bunnyhopping lalafell partner doesn't move out of range. As for the cover + hallowed ground combo, I guess it doesn't work. However, that doesn't mean that Hallowed ground is broken.

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There are a few bugs that's shown:
1) Cover+Hallowed ground doesn't work
2) Cover breaks HG (even after cover is up HG is still taking damage from hits it normally negates)
3) Cover is now an area effect for 1 person while the previous version was only 1 target behind you
4) In another video i forgot to record i'm pretty sure it covered damage from an opposing team as i ran by

I've encountered other strange things that happen when using 1 or 2 of those abilities but i no longer play pld/pve so i won't be posting much of it.

In the end everyone thinks their class is the weakest because we all know the weaknesses of our own classes and none other. In my opinion if you want to nerf pet classes just weaken the healing debuff of disease. That will make healers really hard to kill but that will be next month's complaint. At least people can move on from their SMN nightmares and I can be ignored even more and continue to do the highest damage on my team. If you want to play instead of whine hook up with Xen Of Onslaught on Sargatanas.

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Originally Posted by Aleisterz

Says the summoner who probably does exactly what makes me say to remove the spell. You know cause bringing one to three players that can ress and push a duration of a fight to make it possible to get up to 5 resses totally fair in a arena style PvP, super fair. :)

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Pvp would be so boring without raises is why I said it. I dont care if the monk is the one with the raise instead of SMN someone needs it though.

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Originally Posted by Fyreus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcQNy...ature=youtu.be

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Your video shows that cover DOES work as long as your bunnyhopping lalafell partner doesn't move out of range. As for the cover + hallowed ground combo, I guess it doesn't work. However, that doesn't mean that Hallowed ground is broken.

/sigh Nothing yet on something more interesting like a A/D Map, or BF style ticket map with all GCs fighting on one pvp map/zone or server even ?

Only 8 classes in this game and ppl go around and around with buffs/nerfs anyways...

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I dont care what the "Combo Potency" is, I only care about the actual damage I get hit for. what I know is it seems to do a lot more damage than my fester with all dots (potency 300), or my pvp skills (potency 170).

Its funny that you're even including rage of halone in that sentence... RoH never deals like 1500+ damage, in large part because PLD doesn't have access to as many damage boosting cooldowns.

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I included Rage of Halone, because people were comparing MRD to PLD for damage output. You are telling me that the potency doesn't matter, but the damage does. Then you tell me your DoTs have a higher potency than Butcher's Block. Would you like to see my screenshot of a Summoner's pet hitting me for over 1700 damage with a crit? I think you are playing the FOTM class, and want the crap to roll downhill onto the one class that can still beat you, because you can't win as a class that can deal three times the DPS of any other class.

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Originally Posted by morpheus

"I would like to ask that until this issue is addressed, please try not to use the jump as an intentional dodge maneuver against melee attacks."
Yeah I'm sure people will do just that sigh...

Just disable jump in pvp for now. People are abusing the jumping bug pretty badly now.

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Sigh yea, I just faced you and your fc mates in a pvp match...
You guys were canceling a lot of my attacks by jumping...
Too bad it wasn't enough for you to win against us.

Thanks for playing ;)
I'm sure Hyperion is proud of you!
Make sure to uninstall!

I vote makeing some changes to the way our matches are recorded in pvp.

Please make it only show total games played and your current rank, not how many wins out of how many games played.
Or only display the wins and not the total games played.

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Originally Posted by Rawkzor

Really getting a good laugh out of all these SMNs and SCHs tossing out the flak at everyone because they will probably be getting nerfed. Literally seeing fights where the SMNs are getting more damage than the combined damage output of the other 7 players fighting in the match.

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Sure. And once in pve I saw a Bard one shot Twintania. I mean their damage used to be that high!

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Originally Posted by Farrell

Sure. And once in pve I saw a Bard one shot Twintania. I mean their damage used to be that high!

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Someone clearly hasn't stepped into the ring yet. Should try it out sometime. Maybe there's something to the posts on the forums after all.

As a Summoner I really don't see the amazing damage in the Pvp battle summary usually my numbers are around 8,000 damage, Black Mage 10,000 damage Bard gets 14,000 damage and Dragoon is 17,000 damage. If Square is going by pure damage number Summoners should be buffed because a Dragoon or Black Mage constantly does twice the amount of Damage I do in PvP. Beside Summoners should always be doing insane damage since they have low defense, wear light armor and they can't take a hit Summoners have no defense if a Melee or Bard gets on to of the and I use swift cast, sure cast and equilibrium when able to. If a Summoner gets hit while casting they still take damage and die because we can't move while casting. If Square nerfs Summoner damage they should get an invincibility farm while casting to offset the nerf which will destroy Summoners I'm pvp

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Originally Posted by Akiza

As a Summoner I really don't see the amazing damage in the Pvp battle summary usually my numbers are around 8,000 damage, Black Mage 10,000 damage Bard gets 14,000 damage and Dragoon is 17,000 damage. If Square is going by pure damage number Summoners should be buffed because a Dragoon or Black Mage constantly does twice the amount of Damage I do in PvP. Beside Summoners should always be doing insane damage since they have low defense, wear light armor and they can't take a hit Summoners have no defense if a Melee or Bard gets on to of the and I use swift cast, sure cast and equilibrium when able to. If a Summoner gets hit while casting they still take damage and die because we can't move while casting. If Square nerfs Summoner damage they should get an invincibility farm while casting to offset the nerf which will destroy Summoners I'm pvp

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Amazing anecdotal logic.

Most of the issues with the Summoner's Pet is because most Summoners wear ilvl 90 gear and Pets tale a snapshot of our stats when summoned getting more powerful with better gear. When I was wearing the ilvl 55 crafted gear my pet damage was abysmal. I literally stopped attacking once and saw how much damage my pet do with the crafted pvp gear I switched back to my myth gear because my pet was barely doing damage.

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Originally Posted by LongNu

Amazing anecdotal logic.

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It's how real time pvp is certain comps are going to shut down Summoner's usually a Black Mage or Bard comp will destroy a Summoner because they'll never get off anything except bio and Miasma 2 which are weak compared to the rest of the dots and that's if we are not sleep for most of the match.

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Originally Posted by Akiza

It's how real time pvp is certain comps are going to shut down Summoner's usually a Black Mage or Bard comp will destroy a Summoner because they'll never get off anything except bio and Miasma 2 which are weak compared to the rest of the dots and that's if we are not sleep for most of the match.

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Incredible. I am speechless.

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Originally Posted by Akiza

*SNIP*

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If melee are consistently doing 2x your SMN's damage, you are extremely undergeared, extremely bad, or both.

Only fixing 3 man queues? Lol that's funny coz I've been put against a full 4 man premade multiple times solo queueing. No it's not just a coincidence that their 4th was maybe randomly from the same server as the other 3, they're the same people again and again