Do you think Yoshida will deliver in 1.18?

let the auto attack do all the work it's exactly what SE isn't aiming

A single patch isn't going to redefine a game. Ask this question again once the game hits 2.0.

Hope? Yes.
Think? Nope.

Based on past patches I would have to say no. Nothing close to "Wow, about time!" or even "Not too shabby." has been released in any of the previous patches. I think at this point it is probably in Square's best interest for it to largely fail. They have most likely already chalked up FFXIV as a large monetary loss and put this dev team into place as a fan service (Pure speculation) and are waiting out the last of the diehard players so they can at the very least say they tried their best.

Wishful thinking will still have me checking it out as soon as it's released. After that I will just have to keep checking in every six months to see how it is progressing. I don't believe in this mythical "golden" patch, but if a game ever needed one, it is this game and at this time. This is a one shot deal I think for the rest of the community that has been hanging on. Make or break time I guess for Yoshi. I wish him the best, with players as devoted as FF players are, he's really going to need it.

I don't even care anymore.

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Originally Posted by MeowyWowie

Posted this in another thread, re-posting here.

What to expect from 1.18:

Auto Attack core system, very basic implementation of the AA system.
The 3 Grand Companies and their leaders, very basic implementation.
Abolition of physical levels (maybe)
2 (Two) Dungeons, 1 for r50 and 1 for r30, likely in the same zone (Toto-Rak.) Anyone expecting more is just setting themselves up for disappointment.
Implementation of Quest Hubs, again, most likely very basic.
New gear and new recipes.
Small bug fixes, server stability fixes, MW stability fixes, yet another targeting fix, enmity algorithm adjustments, maybe some attribute adjustments, and maybe a surprise or two.

Don't expect anything more than that. If we do get anything that's not in that list consider it a bonus. And no, I didn't forget to mention abolition of surplus. It was stated in letter X that it would be implemented following the battle system changes, likely at the end of summer.

Jobs will most definitely NOT make an appearance in 1.18, and likely not until after Summer.

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This pretty much sums up my expectations as well.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

Yes I think he will deliver, but that's just me. I personally believe that 99.9% of this community will never ever be happy with anything the dev team does. They'll ALWAYS find something to bitch and moan about.

As for being some kind of saving grace, second coming kind of patch? No. Why do people expect so much out of a single damn patch?

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Thank you, I agree. Don't get me wrong, I like the passion, but positivity breeds positivity. Granted I was pretty surprised that they released the game as early as they did, but the reason I came back was because of the strides they are taking to make it up to the fanbase (i.e. free gametime). I'm excited about the patch too, but I'm more excited to see where the game is at by the end of September on it's one year anniversary. Hopefully it's in the state it should have launched in and maybe we can see some new content early 2012. I'd be totally happy with that.

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Originally Posted by Akira_Tenshi

I don't even care anymore.

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I couldn't have said it better myself. At the end of the day this is what exemplifies my feelings most accurately.

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Originally Posted by Keftenk

Do you think Yoshida will deliver in 1.18?

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When I read this, I was immediately drawn to the movie Shawshank Redemption, you know the scene at the end where Red is finally free from jail. Here is that quote and my answer:

"I find I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. I think it's the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey whose conclusion is uncertain. I hope I can make it across the border. I hope to see my friend and shake his hand. I hope the Pacific is as blue as it has been in my dreams. I hope."

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Originally Posted by Keftenk

Who the hell cares about if it'll be immersion or not, seriously?

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A lot of people.

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Originally Posted by Gundammeister

Thank you, I agree. Don't get me wrong, I like the passion, but positivity breeds positivity. Granted I was pretty surprised that they released the game as early as they did, but the reason I came back was because of the strides they are taking to make it up to the fanbase (i.e. free gametime). I'm excited about the patch too, but I'm more excited to see where the game is at by the end of September on it's one year anniversary. Hopefully it's in the state it should have launched in and maybe we can see some new content early 2012. I'd be totally happy with that.

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^ Yes. Most games don't fare too well in their first year. FFXIV by all means faring the worst in recent memory. Regardless, it's pretty absurd to expect massive content patches throughout the first 12 months of an MMO and I challenge anyone to refute this. Granted, we are nearing the 12 month mark and I would expect to see new content by then. In XI that I and so many others praise, that took the form of an expansion before it was even released in the US. This has already been said so many times before so yada yada yada...

Just picture yourselves as the Japanese were in 02-03 when XI was broken and had no RotZ or CoP. Which means that all there was, was grinding, Nation Missions mixed with some NMs and BCNMs. No Sky, No Sea, No Khazam, No Lufaise Meadows, Xarcarbard etc. You had the basic zones from the three nations to Jeuno and they were probably just as empty as the three nations are now. IIRC Beastmen Strongholds didn't exist either and guess what's mentioned in the Letter X???

Yet this very game is the one many of us praise and reference here on the forums. Remember that from humble beginnings great things can come. Patience determines who reaps the rewards.

Go play Aion, Rift or Tera. By the time you get board FFXIV should be well on it's way. Or spend some time with family and friends before the crack attack starts XD

**WoW major updates
** Aion major updates (Couldn't find anything but I can tell you over the course of nearly 2 years it has seen only 1 real content upgrade and that was regarded as an expansion)
** FFXI major updates (begins one year after Japan launch)

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Originally Posted by Synfrag

^ Yes. Most games don't fare too well in their first year. FFXIV by all means faring the worst in recent memory. Regardless, it's pretty absurd to expect massive content patches throughout the first 12 months of an MMO and I challenge anyone to refute this. Granted, we are nearing the 12 month mark and I would expect to see new content by then. In XI that I and so many others praise, that took the form of an expansion before it was even released in the US. This has already been said so many times before so yada yada yada...

Just picture yourselves as the Japanese were in 02-03 when XI was broken and had no RotZ or CoP. Which means that all there was, was grinding, Nation Missions mixed with some NMs and BCNMs. No Sky, No Sea, No Khazam, No Lufaise Meadows, Xarcarbard etc. You had the basic zones from the three nations to Jeuno and they were probably just as empty as the three nations are now. IIRC Beastmen Strongholds didn't exist either and guess what's mentioned in the Letter X???

Yet this very game is the one many of us praise and reference here on the forums. Remember that from humble beginnings great things can come. Patience determines who reaps the rewards.

Go play Aion, Rift or Tera. By the time you get board FFXIV should be well on it's way. Or spend some time with family and friends before the crack attack starts XD

**WoW major updates
** Aion major updates (Couldn't find anything but I can tell you over the course of nearly 2 years it has seen only 1 real content upgrade and that was regarded as an expansion)
** FFXI major updates (begins one year after Japan launch)

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Indeed =)

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Originally Posted by Synfrag

Just picture yourselves as the Japanese were in 02-03 when XI was broken and had no RotZ or CoP. Which means that all there was, was grinding, Nation Missions mixed with some NMs and BCNMs. No Sky, No Sea, No Khazam, No Lufaise Meadows, Xarcarbard etc. You had the basic zones from the three nations to Jeuno and they were probably just as empty as the three nations are now. IIRC Beastmen Strongholds didn't exist either and guess what's mentioned in the Letter X???

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Not quite. This is from another thread.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

Actually, Xarcabard did come with the original game (the vanilla pre-Rise of the Zilart version first released in Japan). It was the home of the Shadow Lord, the end boss of the game when the level cap was 50.

In fact, here are all of FFXI's original pre-Zilart areas (Source):

Cities/Towns (6):

* Bastok
* Jeuno
* Mhaura
* San d'Oria
* Selbina
* Windurst

Zones (21):

* Batallia Downs
* Beaucedine Glacier
* Behemoth's Dominion
* Buburimu Peninsula
* East Ronfaure
* East Sarutabaruta
* Jugner Forest
* Konschtat Highlands
* La Theine Plateau
* Meriphataud Mountains
* North Gustaberg
* Pashhow Marshlands
* Qufim Island
* Rolanberry
* Sauromugue Champaign
* South Gustaberg
* Tahrongi Canyon
* Valkurm Dunes
* West Ronfaure
* West Sarutabaruta
* Xarcabard

Dungeons (28):

* Altar Room
* Beadeaux
* Castle Oztroja
* Castle Zvahl Baileys
* Castle Zvahl Keep
* Crawlers' Nest
* Davoi
* The Eldieme Necropolis
* Inner Horutoto Ruins
* Fei'Yin
* Fort Ghelsba
* Garlaige Citadel
* Ghelsba Outpost
* Giddeus
* Gusgen Mines
* Horlais Peak
* King Ranperre's Tomb
* Lower Delkfutt's Tower
* Middle Delkfutt's Tower
* Monastic Cavern
* Ordelle's Caves
* Outer Horutoto Ruins
* Palborough Mines
* Qulun Dome
* Ranguemont Pass
* Upper Delkfutt's Tower
* Yughott Grotto
* Zeruhn Mines

What do we have in FFXIV?

Cities/Towns (3):

* Limsa Lominsa
* Ul'dah
* Gridania

(I guess you could technically also count the hamlets, but they're pretty much empty atm)

Zones (5):

* La Noscea
* Thanalan
* The Black Shroud
* Coerthas
* Mor Dhona

Dungeons (6):

* Copperbell Mines
* Nanawa Mines
* The MunTuy Cellars
* The TamTara Deepcroft
* Mistbeard Cove
* Cassiopeia Hollow

Pre-Zilart was still miles better than what we've got in FFXIV. It's a pretty sad comparison, honestly.

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Partially true, but not totally.

With all respect as I want to see this game succeed incredibly badly (right now bought the CE for absolutely nothing but broken dreams) ... I don't know whether to treat this topic as a joke or not...

That's my answer within itself I guess...

I stand corrected. And agree, partially true. XIV's zones are much, much larger so there is plenty of room to fill them out with content. I know I certainly don't want to go running from one end of Thanalan to the other. But there is a small lack of diversity. I am really curious about what kind of content was available for these zones way back then. If anyone has a source I'd love to check it out.

In any case I have 0 expectations until it gets to 1.5 years. If it lacks the content XI had at that time then it may not fly.

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Originally Posted by Vesperia

Autoattack is lol-worthy. We should have kept Tanaka and had player-run companies and ships by now.

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Because the game was going so well under his direction, right?

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Originally Posted by Balbanes

Because the game was going so well under his direction, right?

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The question is, is the game doing better now?

We'll see. So far I only saw some features being removed instead of being improved because it was easier.

I can't say either way at this point, I have been majorly disappointed time after time, but I can only hope! ^_^ All I really want is a combat system that keeps me awake!

If Yoshi-P does deliver in 1.18 with major UI changes, new Gridania, forest map, battle system and some naked Roegadyn... why so hard... galkas without tail! dancing naked with subligar.... then I will be like..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFlcqWQVVuU

We'll see... We'll see... I've done enough OMG ITS UPDATE WEEK!! and get disappointed in XI

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Originally Posted by MeowyWowie

What to expect from 1.18:

Auto Attack core system, very basic implementation of the AA system.
The 3 Grand Companies and their leaders, very basic implementation.
Abolition of physical levels (maybe)
2 (Two) Dungeons, 1 for r50 and 1 for r30, likely in the same zone (Toto-Rak.) Anyone expecting more is just setting themselves up for disappointment.
Implementation of Quest Hubs, again, most likely very basic.
New gear and new recipes.
Small bug fixes, server stability fixes, MW stability fixes, yet another targeting fix, enmity algorithm adjustments, maybe some attribute adjustments, and maybe a surprise or two.

Don't expect anything more than that. If we do get anything that's not in that list consider it a bonus. And no, I didn't forget to mention abolition of surplus. It was stated in letter X that it would be implemented following the battle system changes, likely at the end of summer.

Jobs will most definitely NOT make an appearance in 1.18, and likely not until after Summer.

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This is pretty much what I think patch 1.18 will be except I think fatigue will hit the road and we'll get the job system. I don't know why they would release dungeons for the new job system if they only implement auto-attack.

Each part is worked on by different departments with some crossovers. You expect droughts or floods give or take odd timings.

1.18 can go live even if some of those are not in. Though this "summer" will see what the "new" team is really made of. If you can't get stuff up and running within a year, it's more or less near pointless.