An Open Letter to Yoshida-san: Please Slice One Zero Off the Housing Prices

My big issue as a legacy player isn't the starting prices on the legacy servers, it's the scaling. The point of the scaling "auction" system is that people who have a ton of money get access to these resources first; and that's fine.

What I would like to see is for the starting prices to stay the same as they are now but for the price reduction factor to also vary between worlds and be set such that the "final" price after 90 days of reductions without a plot being purchased ends up the same on all worlds.

People will still spend tons of money and prices will still be much higher on the legacy servers because this content is popular and people will be snapping lots up when they've only been on the market for a little while. This will still be a huge gil sink. My suggestion just makes it so that once we've burned through the thin layer of really wealthy FCs at the top, it'll get down to something more accessible for everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Marowit

While I think the prices need to be lowered dropping a zero is too much. The most expensive parcel shouldn't go from 312.5mil to 31.25mil that's just stupid ridiculous. I'd much rather see prices dropped say %30-40% across the board

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Apparently 156 others, myself included, think otherwise.

I'm not sure you're following the clear rationale that the OP explained in his post, neither have you even began to factor in the costs of furnishing the place. The 312 million (on Excalibur server for example) is just for the plot. Remember, the components for the housing is still a separate matter... they will either be crafted, purchased from vendors, or obtained by exchanging company seals.

And as already expressed in this thread, those prices literally obliterate the hope and dreams of smaller FCs.

Just a random question about housing because I don't want to make an entire thread for it...

Will we be able to enter and take look at the housing areas without buying a house?

I'm not sure what they were smoking when they came up with these prices but they really need to share it...

I have a grand total of 20k and if personal housing follows the same pattern I'll be living in the Inn til the servers are shut down for good.

btw my FC has legacy members with 100 mil+ and even they feel this is excessive.

Even the Japanese players are complaining. Hopefully SE will see reason since the complaints are worldwide now.

i don't know man se really disapoint me just make my group want to quite

I find it stupid overall I know this game is Japanese and they are diff then the rest of us.
we strive for personal goals and they strive for group but even with that games are not the same. I know many Japanese game players and they are on the same wave length as the western players.
I do wonder how hard this is going to fail on the jp servers since those are the only people SE care about. They do not really use forums for anything so its hard to judge the reaction on that side yet.

what I know is there is no chance in hell I am giving any FC all my gill for anything. What is to stop them from kicking me from a fc after I have gone broke... nothing.

I'm an FC on Faerie and we've broken 500. However, less than half of us are active.

You got Phoenix's support too, Abriael.

Another niche that easily gets looked over is the roleplay community. I can't tell you how many people were looking forward to this, as FFXIV has been very conducive to RP, and have had their dreams about it utterly crushed to the point to where they don't even look forward to playing anymore.

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Originally Posted by Dirosei

You got Phoenix's support too, Abriael.

Another niche that easily gets looked over is the roleplay community. I can't tell you how many people were looking forward to this, as FFXIV has been very conducive to RP, and have had their dreams about it utterly crushed to the point to where they don't even look forward to playing anymore.

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Pretty much!

I was pretty burnt out the past week on the game, and a couple of us ended up just playing some other things for a bit to relax and come back to something fresh. Now we, and many of our friends, are sort of bummed at the absolutely astronomical prices that even the smallest plots take to buy on Balmung, and the burnout is simply extended.

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Originally Posted by KenzieLynch

Just a random question about housing because I don't want to make an entire thread for it...

Will we be able to enter and take look at the housing areas without buying a house?

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I don't know if its been confirmed, but I would think so.

so only 30% of the FCs will get a house on day 1? :(

Sadly, i don't believe Square will change anything in these 2 days. But i'm praying to the mighty catgod that they will reconsider.

Axing 1 zero would be fine. paying 34m for a large house is something big wealthy FCs can afford. That would drop cheap houses down to around 200k, or 800k on other servers. Something reachable. 2 zeros well... 80k? that's too cheap. And a large FC house shouldn't cost only 3-6m. 20m to 40m is definitely reasonable for the most serious of players.

300 million means only gilbuyers can afford.

I support the 'slice off one zero' notion, either across the board or from the lower-class, small and medium houses. People who aren't/don't want to be in large FCs still need to be able to get a taste of the content. And I imagine many players may be looking at these prices and deciding to save their gil for personal houses down the line. (If I understand that this update deals only with FC housing.)

I can only see the RMTs 'winning' at this rate.

You have my support Abrial! :D Very nice post~

So huge FCs with tons of crafters and titan sellers are the "main market segmenting" atm?

I totally doesn't agree with the change of housing prices. Get in the community. Go in a larger guild where you can put in place a larger financial effort. Basic things, people should just stop to play on their own and cry that it's not suited for them, it was written FC housing since the beginning boys, deal with it

Thanks for writing this up. I thought it was well worded and thought out. This is really bothering, what seems like, a majority of the player base. I'm hopeful they will come to a resolution. If even the (assumption) top 5% cannot afford or are unwilling to spend that kind of gil, then I don't think SE will keep things the way they are. Perhaps this is just something they did on purpose to see the community's reaction (think of it as a semi-beta test of our reactions) before they make an executive statement saying, "Sorry guys, we meant to drop a zero on all of that. Our <insert position> has horrible hand writing."

Thanks for the write-up. I'm an officer in a small FC of only about 55 people, most of whom are not at level cap. There's no way we'll ever be able to afford housing as it stands right now - even with those of us who are level capped and crafting working on it. The market on Balmung is already in a free-fall and has been for the past two weeks or so (longer for things like shards and tomestone items). This is going to make things so much worse, which will then make it doubly difficult to generate enough gil to even hope to get a house.

I really can't put into words how sad I am that we're probably not ever going to be able to get a house. It was one of the things I had really looked forward to, and something that was really important for our Free Company (we're an RP Free Company). This news has just completely taken the wind out of our sails, and pretty much has destroyed all excitement about the patch. It's extremely disappointing.

Anybody here that talks moon and knows what the jps think about the pricing?

You have my support.

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Originally Posted by RegnumMagik

You have my support.

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"And my AXE!"

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Originally Posted by Sygmaelle

I totally doesn\\'t agree with the change of housing prices. Get in the community. Go in a larger guild where you can put in place a larger financial effort. Basic things, people should just stop to play on their own and cry that it\\'s not suited for them, it was written FC housing since the beginning boys, deal with it

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Well aware that was 'FC' housing, the point people are trying to make is that we didn't all jump on the atomos bandwagon in 1.0, we haven't jumped on the Titam sales bandwagon in 2.0, some of us have relatively small FCs so prices are just unrealistic for anything other than the tiniest plot. I get that maybe if I don't have a big fc I don't 'deserve' a big house, but I at least wanted to shoot for medium, but at my current rate of play, the player housing will be out before we can afford it!

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Unfortunately, by what I'm seeing, the vast majority of those many will spend a sad Starlight Celebration out under the falling snow, homeless.

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I have to chuckle every time I see someone state this, as it simply isn't true - we still have Inn rooms we can sleep in and can come and go as we please, for free. The only truly homeless ones are new adventurers from levels 1-10 who haven't yet gained access to the Inn. But for the majority of adventurers, they can still sleep soundly in their warm inn room beds whenever they feel like. FC housing doesn't replace that function.

Op not going to lie to you I had to skip some of the finer points of your post, because it was a bit of a whine-fest. Not to be insulting to you, but I think you only martial the facts that fit your argument and feelings on the matter. You have to understand that 'this' housing is not the same as 'personal' housing. As such, a larger cost is in place for buying a house.

If you are a FC with 50 people in your company you do not need to have the largest of houses, you might want that but it will be difficult to achieve. What's meant to happen here is that you pick up the house you can afford and that's that and the small house could cater for 50 people relatively fine. If you don't like that, then your FC needs to get off their butts and start recruiting and playing the game. A company with the max player allowance will find it much much easier to buy a larger house should the company contribute together.

It's not often I agree 100% with anyone on the forums but OP nailed it. My FC of 45ish members have been pooling every bit of spare change they could to snag us a large house to enjoy. This was THE most exciting part of 2.1 for us. I had prematurely invited friends on other servers to come vacation in my FC's house.

I literally gave up all my money towards FC housing and my members were prepared to do the same. We have 1 million saved with at best a few hundred thousand per member which would not even be enough to buy cheapest small plot on Balmung.

We have gone out of our way to help the community of Balmung free of charge but now after prices were announced there is talk about selling titans and extreme primals to save up money. Even if we took this route it would take eons to afford a house. I have pretty much given up hope of ever obtaining one because selling something I'd give for free is against everything I stand for.

Keith Dragoon is a good man and I endorse his endorsement. There are unscrupulous people everywhere who will do anything for a gil, but I know there are upright people and free companies out there on every server who have passed up opportunities for gil to help fellow players. And we won't change this for any reason. Even not for this great housing feature, which we all have been so excited for.

I and my own free company on Balmung will not entertain this ridiculous extortion of our hard earned money. I completely agree with you OP. Although I agree with your former suggestion--the prices on ALL these houses should be a tenth of what it is. Every last one of the numbers currently listed, for small, medium, AND large, is completely ridiculous and insulting.

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Originally Posted by Risae

Anybody here that talks moon and knows what the jps think about the pricing?

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"I was almost blown morning coffee from the price of housing price is too unrealistic ...." They have the same attitude about the prices that we do (Thanks google translate lol)

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Originally Posted by Keith_Dragoon

We have gone out of our way to help the community of Balmung free of charge but now after prices were announced there is talk about selling titans and extreme primals to save up money. Even if we took this route it would take eons to afford a house. I have pretty much given up hope of ever obtaining one because selling something I'd give for free is against everything I stand for.

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I agree with you, Keith. I've gone as far as warning my FC members that I won't tolerate that kind of behavior, to prevent them of even thinking of doing it. If we ever get a good FC house it will be by being honored and honourable, not by exploiting everyone else.

It seems a strong pressure to merge smaller guilds or break members to join the larger guilds with possibly more indiscriminate recruitment and membership, while not necessarily intentional, I think a reality regardless.

Our guild has a legacy stretching some 15 years or a bit more, perpetually smaller than most and casual with optional RP by decree, but up until now able to establish even the smallest form of housing going forward with plans (and success) for the larger units in the many games we've taken root in.

Now, it seems we must continue without housing until these asinine prices (as I and others deem it, with all their own opinions) are reconsidered, or we simply settle with how the past several years have seen an increase in mass-market and economy fluctuations with RMT playing some part, and ultimately smaller guilds falling more incapable in today's MMO environment.

For those in larger guilds with funding for desired size, truly I wish thee joyous times ^_^

Great post OP, agreed 100%.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

It basically keeps the most anticipated and publicized feature of patch 2.1 away from a very large part of the playerbase.

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This is what bugs me the most. The way they've been showing off this feature in live letters for a year (I think, didn't check) made players think this would be a feature available to all Free Companies. I'm sure many thought they were available for them right on the patch day. Then they showed us these prices and everyone was shocked.

Now I'm not against long-term goals in a MMO - on the contratry. But this feature hasn't been marketed as such, and hence the disappointment. And even if it had been, it's extremely demotivating having to save up months and months just for a slice of land (a small one, on the lowest rate area). It would be very different if we could at least get a land, to have something to work with, and then start building our house, even if very slowly... I don't know. I just feel, once again, like I've been completely mislead by SE.

Our FC had saved up 2M gil. Most our members have somewhere between 100k and 1M. On Balmung, a Legacy server where the smallest land on lowest rate area costs 20M. This just doesn't make any sense to me.

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Originally Posted by Firepower

Even more so when they write in deep red text under the "Purchasing land" heading on the patch notes

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What is more worrying is that people already buying from RMTs will not only continue to do so, but will purchase MORE. There would be NO RMT problems if players didn't buy the gil....nil....nada....no problems, so somebody is still buying from them. Now with these ridiculous house prices, you genuinely believe these people will stop using RMTs? Nope, you are encouraging MORE people to use them. I'm thinking the gil sellers are sitting there laughing their heads off and rubbing their hands with the prospects of so many sales next week. Way to go SE, let's finance the drug cartels eh?

While i was still playing (the free month) i massed around 400 000 gil from just leves and such and i did not fiddle with the market boards. I would call this about 400k a month an amount as much as casual as it can be for a player not taking advantage of other players impulsive buying. The gil gets spent on potions/food/repair as a raider, if a fc wants a house they should stop raiding?
The house prices i have read about seem cater towards players that use other means of gil accusation than normal gameplay.

PS. The disparity of the prices on different servers looks like a paid server transfer promotion. Just weird stuff.

I'd imagine the average player aside from being disgusted, shocked, and disappointed at the FC housing prices is going to be thinking what kind of stupidity lies around the corner for player housing, assuming it ever makes it in to the game. I can safely say I won't be dumping millions of gil in to a shared house that I'll only gain the benefit of as long as the FC is active when a similarly idiotic pricing structure will no doubt be introduced for individual player housing.

I'm also a little angry that considerable development time was wasted on something a tiny portion of the server will experience in the significant future when other areas of the game are screaming for attention.

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Originally Posted by Taika

Our FC had saved up 2M gil. Most our members have somewhere between 100k and 1M. On Balmung, a Legacy server where the smallest land on lowest rate area costs 20M. This just doesn't make any sense to me.

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We're in the same boat. My company has saved up 2m, thinking it would at least put us close, only to find out that we're only 10% of the way to the smallest land.

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Originally Posted by Yahavage

Well aware that was 'FC' housing, the point people are trying to make is that we didn't all jump on the atomos bandwagon in 1.0, we haven't jumped on the Titam sales bandwagon in 2.0, some of us have relatively small FCs so prices are just unrealistic for anything other than the tiniest plot. I get that maybe if I don't have a big fc I don't 'deserve' a big house, but I at least wanted to shoot for medium, but at my current rate of play, the player housing will be out before we can afford it!

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Im not from legacy, I dont have any craft job and yet I got 40 millions. Didn't buy gold at RMT, only materias sells since release. Soooooooooooo ... it's either people are exageratin or they did it very very wrong

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Originally Posted by Sygmaelle

Im not from legacy, I dont have any craft job and yet I got 40 millions. Didn't buy gold at RMT, only materias sells since release. Soooooooooooo ... it's either people are exageratin or they did it very very wrong

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Yeah, somehow I don't believe you.

I hope the Price is Troll or joke of Yoshi-p To the comunity.

But if this is true.

He wish buy a House be something memorial and epic for all the your FC members.

The grind this could take are 2 - 8 months depending the Size of your FC.

The FC with high population probably in less of 60 days will have a House
The FC with Medium population in 90 - 120 days of hard work will buy one
The low Man FC probably over six months of work.

I already asked one my FC Leaders. In which Street we will be selling our bodies for buy this House. Because Farming/Crafting will be Tough.

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Originally Posted by Linadae

Even the Japanese players are complaining. Hopefully SE will see reason since the complaints are worldwide now.

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And they should complain. The JP legacy servers are double the cost of Balmung. Ridill, where I transferred from, is 625 million for a large plot, 50 for small.

It certainly is a bit of a disappointment. Having recently started up a new Roleplay FC in which the housing was going to be the main focal point of what we intended to do, we were only ever going to have a handful of members at the most. I don't think any of us were expecting to put up any more than a million to the cause, so you can imagine the surprise when we came to realise the smallest plot of land for the server we're situated on had a base cost of 20 million. Making money isn't at the forefront of why we play in the first place, so for now our plans have had to be put on an indefinite hold.

The plight of being non legacy players on a legacy server, I suppose.