Let's be real here - Titan is all about memorization of the patterns/moves, it's not really any form of "skill" unless you consider memorization a skill here.
Main keys to winning Titan aside from the DPS check during heart phase is just knowing when these 2 moves occur post-heart and where to go:
1) Stacked plumes
2) bomb-pattern followed by landslide
If you completely randomized the order of the moves post-heart and the moves did not come at any specific "rhythm" timing, you would see a lot more people not being able to beat Titan yet. With the 0.3 second server position updating along with any latency you might have on your end - good luck if the fight were designed this way instead of the predictable pattern it is now.
Reason why DF people fail Titan
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12-03-2013, 06:27 PMzPanda
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12-03-2013, 06:29 PMShneibelI belive deff = def ?Quote:
Originally Posted by MikoteAstra
I have a MNk too and I have 4k-4,1k hp in titan, so I survive well in tulmult, if your hp is low, you might want to re-location your stats.
Have nothing to say about plume beside with the amount of hp I got even lag or get MPK, i wont die by eat double plume
ability to learn fast (learning or memorize) is something to be proud of isnt it ? skill or not is irrilevant, imo. Though I wont say that healing in titan doesnt required skill.Quote:
Originally Posted by zPanda
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12-03-2013, 06:46 PMYuff-YuffFirst of all, I appreciate your effort, but it's still quite a pain to read your writing. No offense tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikoteAstra
Sadly, in the current generation of online games, it's not common knowledge anymore that people actually GET TOGETHER in groups to do big stuff like Titan in FF:ARR.
Stuff like the Dutyfinder is a tool to casualize MMORPGs, so more Players can do stuff more easier.
WoW did a great job with that idea, but we have to think of the origins.
These Dungeons, or Trials, of whatever you wanna call them are DESIGNED. to be done by a group of players who made a group to achieve just that goal.
That includes at least having a voicechat for everyone, so someone who already has expierience can guide the others.
It's actually MEANT to be that way. Titan is not INTENDED to get slain in the DF.
If it would be different, it would just be as boring as WoW is nowdays. -
12-03-2013, 07:04 PMDarkRainI like what you said BUT ......... If Titan was not intended to be slain in the DF then the Devs would not have added it on the list . Just sayin .Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuff-Yuff
My opinion Titan is not a gear check . Anyone with Item Level 60 gear can do Titan HM . ( AK gear drops and some WP gear drops ) You do not need DL for it . DL was meant to be for Coil same with Relic . Titan is a Idiot check . Sorry but it is true . Some people just can not do it because they don't have the critical thinking to do it . Nor the memory skills . People today ( typically under the age of 25 ) not all but a vast majority of people think there entitled . So sure a lot of people might have been carried this far in the game because of it . Some resort to buying a titan run because well they "deserve" to have that victory as shallow of one that it is. Others ( typically over 25 ) know what Earning something is . And know that they will try and try and try to get better and make that victory even more sweeter .
Just my opinion like rear ends everyone has one . -
12-03-2013, 07:15 PMYuff-YuffI think you misunderstood me.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkRain
Well, maybe I just expressed myself in the wrong way.
Of course, you're right with that.
All I'm saying is, that you can't expect to slay Titan with a DF Group.
It has been designed to be done with a group I described in my previous post.
The Dungeonfinder is an addition to that. But the Titan Hardmode itself was surely not made to just be a DF-Instance
Hope that clears it up. -
12-03-2013, 07:17 PMMikoteAstra
Shneibel
Me as new player i dont have the best gear there it is with main story gear i dont think you will have 4k hp and as far as i saw in the forums monk must put all his stats points into the (STR) !
And about the Plume, if all think like you the the developers should stop fixing bugs and etc. all together ! Get yourself a high end gear and weapon and the bugs wont make much of a problem for you ! Sorry but this wrong !
Yuff-Yuff
I do understand that there must be alot of hard parts in the game !
But if in a MMORPG you cant finish some parts of the game with random people in the game then for me such MMORPG goes in the wrong way !
For me MMORPG is a game in witch i can explore and meet with alot of new people and do the stuff in game with new players witch i just met or help them ! If i cant do that and im forced to finish parts of the game only with group of my best friends in real life then what is the point of the Online game ! Grind alone dont meet with new people, dont help other players !
It should be that more advance and experiance people in the game be able to help the other players, but as you saied it is imposable ! And Titan hard mode witch is bound to a main story quest for your weapon is good example of it !
Why, is it wrong the strong players to help us the new once to finish it and get ourself the weapon too ! Is that wrong players to help other players ! -
12-03-2013, 07:28 PMDarkRainIt is not wrong at all . People who have experience SHOULD help . But they dont . And ill tell you why . Because people are selfish and greedy . Sad but true a lot of people only care about one thing. Themselves . In a MMORPG and not ina clan or free company or linkshell chances are you will get left behind . I am sure you are a great person and a very nice person but nice and great wont get you anywhere in a MMO . Now there are some who are willing to help there are some who try to teach things . Me and my FC we help people out all the time . But there comes a point where up toss your hands in the air because everything you tried to teach someone fails over and over and over again . So what do you do ? You keep trying ! You get better . You take a deep breath and remember this is only a game and is meant for you to have fun . So no matter what someone tells you , You go have fun and keep being you .Quote:
Originally Posted by MikoteAstra
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12-03-2013, 07:30 PMYuff-YuffWell... Just think about what you just said.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikoteAstra
Basicly, you imagine an MMORPG to be coherent with Teamplay and Players supporting each other.
Well that's exactly what it is. You make yourself friends in the game, and put a group up, so you can overwhelm the trials together. You support each other, give one another tips, and stuff like that, so EVERYONE masters it. But most importantly: You do achieve it together
That's how it's meant to be played! You can't do that in the dungeonfinder, because you get thrown together with a bunch of strangers from different servers and regions. And, that too, is not the meaning of your post.
People with experience are nice, and willing to support the younger ones. You just have to look out for them, it's just a question of attitude. That's the way I found into MMOs too when I was just a "Scrub". -
12-03-2013, 07:31 PMDarkRainI was just giving you a hard time :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Yuff-Yuff
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12-03-2013, 07:37 PMNaytoIt's a skill.Quote:
Originally Posted by zPanda
Requires basic math and observation still... hence memorization, which is a skill within a skill. Ooooh!Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkRain
That's Patrick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuff-Yuff
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12-03-2013, 07:41 PMDarkRainNo This is a skillQuote:
Originally Posted by Nayto
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12-03-2013, 07:43 PMKenzieLynch
Titan guards the gate to endgame, and in that sense the fight is everything is should be. A skill/gear check.
Unfortunately you can't stop people from buying their relics and missing out on some valuable weeks of banging their head against the wall and actually getting better. Reality hits when they find out Coil runs aren't for sale. -
12-03-2013, 07:45 PMYuff-YuffNo This is a skillQuote:
Originally Posted by DarkRain
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12-03-2013, 07:53 PMDarkRainThat is what makes up a good 60% of DF partiesQuote:
Originally Posted by Yuff-Yuff
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12-04-2013, 07:53 AMyamfaceBecause they are just plain bad? Not sure what else you'd expect as an answer. The fight is literally:Quote:
Originally Posted by coffeeking
Move out of giant red line.
Move out of circles.
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12-04-2013, 07:56 AMMeirii
I had zero issues with titan HM, however the thought of an extreme mode makes me shudder T_T
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12-04-2013, 04:27 PMYuff-YuffWhat about understanding the bomb rotation, because in some cases you'll have to move.Quote:
Originally Posted by yamface
Or knowing when to get people out of the boulder.
Or knowing when the circles will spawn, because otherwhise you may not be able to dodge, because other party members lay them in your way.
I could name some more cases, and even if those all aren't a problem for you, they are for most players. One healer of us still doesn't get the bombs.