Be brave

the game is 100% better now then it was when those reviews were made. So Yes Tanaka sucked and Yoshi is doing 5x better.

All that matters is the game is getting better and in a hurry this summer. So this thread is Moot.

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Originally Posted by Neptune

@konachibi

Instead of looking at some of the more fringe criticisms as being off-base, consider that the concerns raised represent the interests and expectations of players unfamiliar with Final Fantasy. It may have taken me 20 seconds to establish my account, but I have a friend that actually hit a brick wall during account creation and had to wait for me to get on the phone to help him out. Even though these criticisms may not seem valid to me and you, they are still valid for some. And if the developer wants this game to have wide appeal and accessibility, any concerns should be resolved. Especially when they are all so simple. Even with beautiful music it shouldn't be on all the time. It should fade in and out.

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ALL MMO's loop their soundtracks, the ones that don't are the ones people complain doesn't have enough music in. *Menu> Audio > move slider down*
Apparently there's a great deal of people too stupid to know how to do that if reviewers consider it an issue! Warcraft syndrome perhaps?

Not knocking your friend but in an account management system where all you do is answer the questions and keep clicking 'ok', I reeeeaaaally can't see anyone's point of view when saying it's difficult.

I chose those particular criticisms because they are easily the DUMBEST 'cons' I've ever seen reviewers try and use. It's like they were desperate to say it was a bad game, as if they HAD to, were forced to. "No PVP" is just downright complete and total stupidity as a con when reviewing a final fantasy game, the reviewer must have been thicker than the table I have my keyboard on right now.

Plus those reviews are very much like the ones I read before I bought this game 3 weeks ago, they listed the same cons that friend told me about, he'd heard them from his sister who had played the game.

I still bought this game.
I'm glad I did
I like it!
And I will continue to like it unless they do something incredibly amazingly stupid, which I doubt.

But seriously, some of the gripes the reviewers gave the game was just retarded.

I think one of the posters when you first made the thread hit the nail on the head "They're always going to hate this game because it's unique and it's not WoW"
ALL MMO's that try to clone WoW always get excellent reviews when they first come out. Warhammer Online had way more problems that FFXIV but people didn't kick up a stink 'cos it was a WoW clone.

The opinions were biased.

They always will be.

I'm sorry, I don't think you fully know what Yoshida's been talking about lately, or is planning. But before I get to that...

Most of the reviews praised game features that weren't immediately s***ty; combat and armory system especially.

When I picked up this game, I was enamored with the armory system and how combat looked. But then I realized that the armory system made for extremely homogenized, boring classes; everyone and their mother uses the same skill set (barring some extremely few unique skills) and all classes play almost identically. Your class is tied to a single weapon, and you need to level all classes if you want to be decent. Point allotment is absolute horse s***, stats and food have no major effect on anything, battle regimen is a totally useless feature, no level restriction on items is stupid, and I could go on and on and on about things relating to the armory system and combat that sucked.

The only reason the reviewers 'praised' the armory and combat systems is because traditional MMOs have you locked into a single class. But almost every player who spent more than a month on this game realized that the original armory system made for homogenized, boring classes and directionless spamfest zerg combat.

Now let's have a look at the criticism that the game received.

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-Absolutely miserable interface

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Has seen numerous improvements, from tooltips, to targetting, to menu depth reduction, to sorting, to MW window improvements, monster level/enmity gauge, etc. This has been one of the most worked-on parts of the game.

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-Does a poor job of communicating important information

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See above. Lots more tooltip information, in-game tutorials, terrible stylized font replaced with human readable font, etc.

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-Limited questing means you're always looking for something fun to do

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Dungeons were added, leves have seen some fixes, behest has seen some fixes, monsters have been rearranged to help with party grinding, side quests implemented. Future works is more dungeons, more quests, more leve fixes and adjustments, beastman strongholds, Ifrit/boss fights, large scale PVE.

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-Everything about the economy stinks

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Not too much fixing here besides MW usability fixes. The materia system and redoing crafting recipes will be MASSIVE help for this.

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-Every aspect of the game is filled with dumb obstacles.

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They've slowly been removed. Anima regenerates faster, you get cheaper teleports, chocobos and airships are incoming, you can manually set homepoint now instead of having it be automatically set, leve ticket system incoming, dumb monster placement has been fixed, collision adjustments, stamina gauge removed, etc. The game is much more user friendly now than it was a year ago.

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-slow anima regeneration

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Fixed.

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-lack of mounts

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Incoming, with airships.

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-confusing account management

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No mention of this yet.

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-dependence on text macros

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Problem alleviated somewhat by new action bar and auto-attack, but otherwise not much done.

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-manual configuration of gamepads

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No mention, but we have keyboard key reassignment coming soon.

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-lack of convenient UI features

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See above. UI is massively improved.

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-game soundtrack on endless repeat

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There have been plenty of music changes, but overall it's still repetitive and boring.

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-cookie cutter environments

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-lack of auto follow.

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-Attacks and damage being out of sync during combat

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Lag and combat fixes have help dramatically with this. Combat is much more responsive now, but not as good as it should be.

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-Crafting is a chore through multiple menus

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Crafting is being redone, we have a recipe book now, etc.

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-Lack of intuitive navigation of features

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Map was redone, UI redone, tutorials and tooltips galore, see above.

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-No mail system

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-Grinding

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Yoshida has repeatedly stated that he's moving the game away from grind-centric gameplay and into instanced/small group gameplay. Dungeons, redone leves, redone behest, and side quests with exp rewards were the first steps. We have much, much more coming down the line.

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-Storyline missions too spaced out

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We have sidequests and dungeons now. More PVE stuff incoming.

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-Levequests lose their appeal after a while

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Leves have been adjusted repeatedly, we have more adjustments coming, and as above, we have other, non-leve content for people to enjoy at any time.

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-Dull grind

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-Too many submenus

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Menu depth has been alleviated. See above.

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-Useless map

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Map almost completely redone. It's not useless anymore.

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-Poor PC optimization

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There has been little progress on this, and no mention of DX10/11 support. But server side optimization has been moving along decently.

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Mounts and airships incoming, see above.

I could continue, but hopefully you get the message. Yoshida has tackled almost all of the major criticisms the game received AND handled some things that were major faults with the game that nobody noticed. He's handling the things that have the largest impact on gameplay and usability first -- and that are feasible -- and everything else second. He's turned this game from being the smelliest, most rotten turd on the block, to something that is now average or slightly below average -- in one year. Should anyone have sat down to analyze the game for longer than a few hours, they'd have realized that Tanaka gave us a game with nothing in terms of redeeming qualities, cool features, or interesting gimmicks. Nothing.

And he would have kept going.

TLDR: yay yoshida, boo tanaka

Mail system has been mentioned and is being implimented in one of the upcoming patches.

The Outside game config isn't annoying. Hell it's easier to use than Mass Effect 2's and makes more sense!

I don't use macros and my battle capability is fine

The music still suits the areas, if you don't like it, turn it off.

The 'lag' is being fixed post-1.19 per an announcement Yoshi made. It is in fact an animation package error.

Pc optimisation I will agree does need to be addressed, it gets annoying when my frame-rate drops just by being near some grass, or how people magically pop in and out of view from 20 feet away.

You missed the PvP bit, to which the answer would still be "It's final fantasy, duuuh" If they want PvP go join Warhammer Online or Global Agenda.

I think once the 1.19 patch is out the only thing that'll really be left on that list is the PC optimisation. That's a part of the game that'll take quite a while to fix because it's not an easy thing to change.

And seriously I dunno how they can scream this game is bad. If they want to see what a really bad MMO is like, they should go try one of those free2play korean mmo's. Those games give you like, 5 quests, then from that point on the ONLY means of levelling is to keep constantly killing none-stop to ridiculous level caps like 150. Then usually when you hit the 150 level cap they give you an option to drop down to level 50 again but with some kind of special class. you then have to do the ridiculous grind again.
Those games hold competitions to see who hits the level cap first upon release and they know it's going to be, at least 6 months before someone achieves it.

It all just seems so dumb.

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Originally Posted by DNO

the game is 100% better now then it was when those reviews were made. So Yes Tanaka sucked and Yoshi is doing 5x better.

All that matters is the game is getting better and in a hurry this summer. So this thread is Moot.

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yes, some do believe that.

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yes, some do believe that.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...d_weasel_words :cool:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...d_weasel_words :cool:

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I tried to read that, but all it said in my head was "If you notice this notice you'll notice this notice is a notice"

They're getting rid of the system where we can switch weapons on the fly instead of having to go change our class like in FFXI? What the fuck is wrong with SE?

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They're getting rid of the system where we can switch weapons on the fly instead of having to go change our class like in FFXI? What the fuck is wrong with SE?

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I don't know, what is wrong with you? Where did you hear that? Why would you possibly think they would be changing it to make us go to our non existent mog houses to change classes? I have heard nothing like that.

I think she was being sarcastic maybe.

If not then she's spotted something in this necrothread that no one's ever noticed before.

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I tried to read that, but all it said in my head was "If you notice this notice you'll notice this notice is a notice"

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Stinky Gyshaler!

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@konachibi

Instead of looking at some of the more fringe criticisms as being off-base, consider that the concerns raised represent the interests and expectations of players unfamiliar with Final Fantasy. It may have taken me 20 seconds to establish my account, but I have a friend that actually hit a brick wall during account creation and had to wait for me to get on the phone to help him out. Even though these criticisms may not seem valid to me and you, they are still valid for some. And if the developer wants this game to have wide appeal and accessibility, any concerns should be resolved. Especially when they are all so simple. Even with beautiful music it shouldn't be on all the time. It should fade in and out.



Actually my opinion hasn't really changed through the summer. I think Darkhold is great, but I don't think it was worth throwing the entire year into. I'd rather there be no awesome dungeon and all of these little concerns addressed. Instead they want to try to do what they personally want to do, while the main problems persist into 2012.



I am playing Chrono Cross right now along with Xenoblade, and I have to say Chrono Cross is pretty amazing. It wasn't well appreciated in its day but compared to what's out now it's an incredible RPG, with some of the best music in a game ever.



I do wonder if some of these people with Tanaka rage (of course I am a member of that group) were XI lovers. I am an XI vet and I both love and hate Tanaka, but I can see the good and the bad.



Could you reword that?

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re-worded. :p

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The armoury system was praised by almost all of the reviews that were on the "pros" list of the game and the reviewers were happy to make a unique character and not being like everyone else, but that's being broken down... am I missing something here?

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They are implementing a job system, true enough, but they aren't getting rid of classes and the armory system at all. It remains to be seen just how well the two will work together, but not all hope is lost here.

Interested to know who's idea it was to release the game when it was released. Surely it wasn't Tanaka's. SE is a shareholder owned company, and perhaps they needed to pad earnings in the quarter and this seemed like the answer.

I don't really know.

The only thing I can say is that Tanaka worked on FFXI, which despite its many flaws, ranks as one of the best MMO's of all time for me. I think Tanaka is back working on FFXI again, although I may be confused.

With that said it would have been interesting to see his vision of the game fully realized versus the new guy's vision. Although I absolutely loathed this game at release, it may have turned into something fun like FFXI did. Now it seems to be turning into an entirely different game, while trying to retain bits and pieces of the original vision.

It would have been brave to just realize the original vision and let it succeed or fail on those merits rather than cave to vocal minority of back seat couch potato would be game devs.

I can't say I like or dislike the new stuff coming. I have not seen it. Personally I would rather see more story content but I know that will have to wait. I do know this...I am looking forward to the day when this is all sorted out, for good or bad, and listening to new players coming and saying how they "hate" this feature or that feature and how the game is so hard...then I can tell "back in the day" stories about the crafting system, the battle system and the storyline. I see it like this, they built a house that a lot of people thought was ugly. A new builder was hired to tear down the old house, keep the foundation, and build a new house. 1.18-1.20 is just putting in the walls. We still have the plumbing, the electrical work and the furniture to put in yet. We will see how the house looks when it's done.

As far as the reviews? I thought they were pretty nasty overall. Did not stop me though. Word of mouth has always been the best advertising and it always will be. I would rather hear about a game from a friend than a reviewer. Reviews can be slanted based on money, grudges etc.. Use your own judgement and play what you find fun.

@Mortikhan I like your perspective.

@ Wolfie, I'm a little puzzled by your post. I'm not sure if you were trying to point something out to me or maybe the community in general. I'm surprised you went over every bullet point with comments. About that, I'm aware that most of it has been addressed, but it has not been fixed. Just because for instance, they slightly increased anima regeneration doesn't mean that it is suddenly regenerating fast. It's still super slow. I know they want to fix that stuff but it's not like a contest between what they want to do and what a bunch of reviewers have to say. My OP was about how they haven't focused on criticism. They have TOUCHED on it but it isn't their focus. And when you look at the trend you have to agree with me that it's baffling.

I'm a huge fan of the Armoury system but I agree with you about the homogenization. It seemed like there were really 2 classes, mage and warrior. Even original WoW with 4 or 5 classes made you feel like there was a lot more definition and roles, and people do like to have their roles. I'm not sure this is really some kind of major flaw though.. I think they could have worked with it more. They never implemented the positioning system they said they were going to implement. But your criticism of the stats, food, gear, and battle regimens shouldn't be so closely linked to the Armoury system. Conceptually those are independent of it.

Your main claim is that people noticed problems with it after a month.. I would say you really started to play your character after a few months. Look up some videos by Kaeko on the Lodestone to see what I'm talking about. You can do some really unexpected things with the Armoury system. If anything it's biggest flaw was that it made playing seem mediocre in the hands of players that lacked creativity.

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ALL MMO's loop their soundtracks, the ones that don't are the ones people complain doesn't have enough music in. *Menu> Audio > move slider down*
Apparently there's a great deal of people too stupid to know how to do that if reviewers consider it an issue! Warcraft syndrome perhaps?

Not knocking your friend but in an account management system where all you do is answer the questions and keep clicking 'ok', I reeeeaaaally can't see anyone's point of view when saying it's difficult.

I chose those particular criticisms because they are easily the DUMBEST 'cons' I've ever seen reviewers try and use. It's like they were desperate to say it was a bad game, as if they HAD to, were forced to. "No PVP" is just downright complete and total stupidity as a con when reviewing a final fantasy game, the reviewer must have been thicker than the table I have my keyboard on right now.

Plus those reviews are very much like the ones I read before I bought this game 3 weeks ago, they listed the same cons that friend told me about, he'd heard them from his sister who had played the game.

I still bought this game.
I'm glad I did
I like it!
And I will continue to like it unless they do something incredibly amazingly stupid, which I doubt.

But seriously, some of the gripes the reviewers gave the game was just retarded.

I think one of the posters when you first made the thread hit the nail on the head "They're always going to hate this game because it's unique and it's not WoW"
ALL MMO's that try to clone WoW always get excellent reviews when they first come out. Warhammer Online had way more problems that FFXIV but people didn't kick up a stink 'cos it was a WoW clone.

The opinions were biased.

They always will be.

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I'm a little puzzled by how you felt the need to defend some of the criticism of the game. It's not as if your defense is going to convince anyone that felt strongly about those points to begin with. I think you're wrong about a lot of these reviews. If you look closely you can tell if someone is biased and I don't think I ever ran across one biased review of this game. Most of the reviews show that a lot of people really had high hopes for this game.. the big letdown was in fact what led to the negativity. Something like PVP for instance: of course this doesn't fit Final Fantasy as we know it, but did you know PVP is a priority for the dev team? Why wasn't it included at launch? PVP is just another way to have fun in an MMO. There is something to learn from this criticism.. you don't need to blindly reject it.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...d_weasel_words :cool:

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Haha.. what??

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They're getting rid of the system where we can switch weapons on the fly instead of having to go change our class like in FFXI? What the fuck is wrong with SE?

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We don't know what they're doing but it's not going to involve taking a walk to switch classes. The controversy is that originally you could make your own character by changing your stats and abilities and now they are making it so that all characters of a certain class will be very similar.

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re-worded. :p

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haha :D

I agree with your message, OP. I didn't bother to read any of the replies you got because I'm sure they're mostly trolls and yoshi fanboys bashing you for having a conflicting opinion... But solid writing.

You got your point across well, but the title is really vague :P

I lol'd at a lot of those

I find the OP's summary of the reviews slightly biased.

Almost every single review brought up the horrors of the MW or simply were amazed by the lack of an AH.

@ OP

Before you can see progress on things that need to be fixed, you must first adjust the back bone of the problem. That is exactly what the Devs are doing. After the big patch 1.19, things should keep speeding up. I thought you guys would understand all this lol.

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@ OP

Before you can see progress on things that need to be fixed, you must first adjust the back bone of the problem. That is exactly what the Devs are doing. After the big patch 1.19, things should keep speeding up. I thought you guys would understand all this lol.

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This community? Understand? LMFAO I DONT THINK SO

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They are implementing a job system, true enough, but they aren't getting rid of classes and the armory system at all. It remains to be seen just how well the two will work together, but not all hope is lost here.

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How can there be a job and class system, it's either one or the other, what I've certainly read seems to me that they are getting rid of the armoury system altogether and are binding abilities only to certain "jobs" (The name changes seem to suggest that as well) from what I've gathered, we'll no longer be able to mix and match abilities and see other people who are also the same thing as you.

The armoury system is being scrapped, plain and simple for something more in yoshida's favor.
There was nothing wrong with it, *Sure a few things like thaumaturge could be OP, but people said out of all the classes they've played Thaum was the most fun using the current system*

Breaking it down, giving it a new name, and re-naming the classes because a few people complained about it's "final fantasy....ness" sure seems like there was something "wrong" with it, when there wasn't.

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How can there be a job and class system, it's either one or the other, what I've certainly read seems to me that they are getting rid of the armoury system altogether and are binding abilities only to certain "jobs" (The name changes seem to suggest that as well) from what I've gathered, we'll no longer be able to mix and match abilities and see other people who are also the same thing as you.

The armoury system is being scrapped, plain and simple for something more in yoshida's favor.
There was nothing wrong with it, *Sure a few things like thaumaturge could be OP, but people said out of all the classes they've played Thaum was the most fun using the current system*

Breaking it down, giving it a new name, and re-naming the classes because a few people complained about it's "final fantasy....ness" sure seems like there was something "wrong" with it, when there wasn't.

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um...wtf are you talking about? Amy is right ~.~

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Yep.


This world is totally not immersive. It lags, I can hardly interact with it, everything looks too similar in too many areas, nothing I do impacts the world at all, it hardly has any sense of "life" to it, and it relies on too many stale archetypes in its design.


The cutscenes are pretty, but how is that uniquely Tanaka's vision? Every other game out there has stuff like this.


This game is hardly driven by story. There are hardly any story quests. They are embarrassingly easy and require no effort on the part of the player at all. They offer no rewards, and it doesn't make a lick of difference if I do them or ignore them completely.


Totally. Blew. It.


I still don't see anything of merit that is uniquely "Tanaka's vision" that is even remotely positive. The concept of the armory system, customization, battle regimens, crafters/gatherers being their own class, etc are all pretty nice in theory. Game concepts can be as pretty as we imagine on paper, but look what we have in reality. The game as it was released back in September had Tanaka's stamp of approval, and it was complete crap.


The praise of the reviewers, in context of the entire reviews is faint and grasping at anything positive to balance out the overwhelming negatives. The fact that you have to look for reviewers for hints at Tanaka's vision rather than Tanaka himself should obviously point out to you how little "vision" there was to begin with.

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um...wtf are you talking about? Amy is right ~.~

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Yea, I'm not usually on the side of PP, but wtf are you talking about?

They explicitly said the class system will remain in tact for those of us who prefer none predefined roles. They are only moving some abilities around to support the job system and they are adding new and exciting job specific abilities.

They also stated that "Jobs" will be highly ineffective for Solo gameplay and therefor Classes will still be a necessity.

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Yet not even an interesting XP system and the few rare cutscene-driven story missions can redeem this, buried as they are behind one of the most heinous interfaces ever devised, and strangled by lag issues, framerate dips and a nightmarish control scheme that goes out of its way to make even basic actions like checking your inventory a long and irritating exercise in menu-faffing. PvP, keyboard shortcuts, an auction house, a sensible group chat system, a fast travel system that doesn’t break your bank, a map that actually shows you where things are… all these are missing presumed forgotten. Take the hardest quest in the game as an example. It’s called: ‘buying a sword’.
Finally, fantasy

The useless world map fails to show anything other than a vague sketch of the local geography. No indication of quest givers, traders or markets so I’m forced to wander aimlessly around the large, seemingly barren town. But it isn’t barren. If I stand still for a minute NPCs lag into existence around me. If I wait another minute player characters start appearing as well. I eventually find the bazaar, a place where players can sell their crafted wares through NPC employees. There is no way of telling who is selling what. The only solution is to speak to every single one of them until I get lucky. Two hours after starting my mission, I still don’t have a sword. I give up and buy some leggings instead.

Taking quests is similarly laborious. Hard-to-find quest-givers dish out clusters of boring rat hunts activated at giant crystals in the field. Once I’ve completed my small allotment I inexplicably have to wait 36 hours until I’m allowed more. The only option is to grind the local wildlife and join hourly Behests: small group monster hunts (the closest thing to a dungeon). Or I could get crafting, itself a lengthy series of protracted minigames with a frustratingly high failure rate.

There isn’t much variety to the creatures you fight.

That interesting XP system? Buried somewhere under the rubble there’s a dual experience setup that lets you level up separately on different weapons, and then mix and match unlocked skills to create a truly unique character. But the grind of levelling, and an interface that demands 12 clicks to change your weapon, robs this of any potential.

FFXIV demands incredible patience for almost no reward.

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Gahh looking at the date of this review is depressing because there still aren't any plans to address the biggest of the issues mentioned in that review. I think XIV has gotten better since launch but honestly how many of you can that a year from now the reviews wouldn't be very close to that one?

Honestly the reviews made now mean nothing at this point. Judgement is best reserved for the ps3 release, but even then, reviews are meh.

Ok this is getting creepy..

Again I'm with PP on this one, We all saw what happened when MMORPG.com tried to review this game in it's current state. People went berserk. More importantly though, this is an MMO and if there is one thing you cannot count on is an MMO review. They are never good unless they are paid for. On top of that no reviewer could ever know what there talking about unless they actually play the game for fun at which point they are bias.

Game reviewers are like food critics. The can only pretend to know what they are talking about because no single person can decide something for everyone.

When PS3 releases we will see more reviews and most likely they will say, "Wow this got better." and thats about it.

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Ok this is getting creepy..

Again I'm with PP on this one, We all saw what happened when MMORPG.com tried to review this game in it's current state. People went berserk. More importantly though, this is an MMO and if there is one thing you cannot count on is an MMO review. They are never good unless they are paid for. On top of that no reviewer could ever know what there talking about unless they actually play the game for fun at which point they are bias.

Game reviewers are like food critics. The can only pretend to know what they are talking about because no single person can decide something for everyone.

When PS3 releases we will see more reviews and most likely they will say, "Wow this got better." and thats about it.

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It is...slightly creepy lol ;>.>

but you do hit the point on MMO reviews nicely

First, let me say this is one of the better critical posts I have seen in a long time. No trolling, just good ol fashion point and counter point responses to issues you feel are important. Kudos. Second, I think the only thing you seem to be missing, or maybe you thought of it and just didnt mention it, is that the reworking of Tanaka's vision by Yoshi is due to fan reaction, not critics responses. The number one complaint about Tanaka was that, after the release of the beta, he didnt listen to the thousands of fans that played the beta and begged them not to release the game in the condition it was in. As such, when Yoshi came onboard, he chose to ask the fans what they wanted to see changed and based his decisions off of that via the player poll. He then announced the results and even mentioned fixing things in the order they were voted on the most. Certain things, much like the complaints about the map layout, are deeper in the coding system and take much longer to fix then things like combat and transportation.

I agree with you that Tanaka had some great ideas, but his execution was one of the worst seen in gaming in a long time. I do agree that it is hard to make sense of many of the things that Yoshi has chosen to fix first when you compare it to what the fans have been asking for for months now. It is still beyond me why the linkshell system, market wards, and mailing system issues have not been addressed as those seem like things that could have been fixed quickly this year, yet they make no mention of even doing it any time soon.

Before this turns into a VERY lengthy post on my part, the only other thing I feel obligated to say that relates to this discussion is my total lack of understanding as to why the hell the servers werent just shutdown after the launch to rework the whole game to begin with. WHat they have effectively done is created an entire set of players that are all leveling characters and playing a game that (after each major patch) isnt even really the same game anymore. I recently quit playing and will be deleting my main character thats as old as the game is simply because I feel jipped at the changes that were made in 1.18, and will be made again in 1.19. Many of those changes (like getting large amounts of xp for the main story quests) covered things I wouldn't be able to go back and redo with jobs at level 50 and a character with a physical level of 50. I feel sorry for the people that have multiple jobs at 50 now because I feel like they will miss any potential the game reworking will have since most of the changes occurring are aimed at new players that havent started yet. Those changes are sprinkled in with halfass attempts (like the dungeons and upcoming ifirit fight) to keep the current player base happy. Had they shut the servers down after the poor launch they could have addressed many of the issues we are talking about here FIRST instead of wasting time trying to balance doing so with keeping a player base that isnt even paying them happy, which eats up even more time. The level of bad desicion making in this game is staggering, but I feel there is still a chance for it sometime in 2020 when they get around to launching the ps3 version. I really do want it to do well, but sadly, sometimes it seems like the fans want that to happen way more than SE does.

I'm pretty sure the devs are busy addressing many of the big complaints as we speak. When I say pretty sure, I mean certain. It seems we can't go a day without a new thread popping up demanding SE fixes something they are already in the process of remedying and have made statements declaring such.

Just saying every big patch they try to reduce the amount of menus it takes to craft. Also the map is so not useless wtf at those people. The thing about it is, we did ask for some sort of class uniqueness, and we weren't use to the new classes yet and therefore wanted something familiar. They took this as "significantly narrow the classes, and tack on jobs with old timey names", we can't help that we asked for minor changes at points and they went full blown ape sh*t on the changes. Looks like they're trying to change the UI more. Honestly the people who review mmos play a lot of boring mmos, the same run of the mill clone of each other (not even WoW clone at this point, they just rip off each other so much until they are all the same game). I think no matter what FFXIV was a breath of fresh air for those people who are not used to being able to play any class they want. The class system is boring, not because you can equip w/e to whoever, its because the actual algorithms on how gimp or how OP something should be when equipped to another class have been and still are broken.

Taking away battle regimens was bs to me. The only fix i'd love if unglitching them, sometimes they glitch if too many people queue up, but I think this was largely fixed when we reduced party size to 8 therefore less people would be hopping in and out of them and it causes it to glitch less.

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The main point being that the Armory System and Class System are going to be improved by the addtion of Specialized Jobs running in paralell with this system.

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Could someone point to me the post that says the Armory sytem is being abolished and that Jobs will be replacing it? Because this is what people seem to believe.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Could someone point to me the post that says the Armory sytem is being abolished and that Jobs will be replacing it? Because this is what people seem to believe.

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They never state that explicitly, but when you follow their choice of implementation to its logical conclusion, then it's pretty obvious that the armory system is being downplayed, and in fact, probably made redundant.

I mean, one has only to look at the recent changes made to Thaumaturge to see SE's new stance on classes. Class is now equivalent to role. And that was by no means the original incarnation of the Armory System.

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

I mean, one has only to look at the recent changes made to Thaumaturge to see SE's new stance on classes. Class is now equivalent to role. And that was by no means the original incarnation of the Armory System.

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well said sir.

I'm still waiting for that post.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

I'm still waiting for that post.

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I'm sure it's coming eventually if Yoshi ever bothers to articulate his wishy-washy ideas.

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Originally Posted by User201109011315

I mean, one has only to look at the recent changes made to Thaumaturge to see SE's new stance on classes. Class is now equivalent to role. And that was by no means the original incarnation of the Armory System.

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Just because they limited the Thaumaturge's curing abilities doesn't mean class = role. All along, the classes have certain abilities that can't be shared, and among the ones that can be shared, they are limited in potency when used off-class. The classes were never meant to be completely identical to each other at any point in time. That was never the intention with the Armory System.

It's as simple as this: Thaumaturges weren't meant to be better healers than Conjurers. So they got nerfed.