Tank HP Requirements For Endgame DF Content

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Originally Posted by InVizO

Umm no your wrong, WP is no place for a fresh 50, CM and Praet are, that's why they dont give myth stones. learn more plz

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WP is a lvl 50 dungeon designed for AF gear. The fact you think otherwise tells me you have no clue what you are talking about. Want your 10 mins runs while being way overgeared? That's your business. However, don't come on the forums spouting these lies as fact that WP can't be done in AF. You need to stop being a bad healer.

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Originally Posted by InVizO

Warriors are better at everything besides primals and coil, I don't discriminate on anything other than HP because, as a healer, I don't see much difference as far as mitigation until Garuda/Titan etc.

5500 HP btw, for the tank that linked the photos, is fine for every content in duty finder except Titan(you will want to build your own PT for Titan), so whats your problem?

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AHAHAHAHAHA! This is a great troll, but I think it's starting to be a bit too obvious. Nicely done, Invizo. Multiple ilv90 stuff not enough for Titan? Completely ignoring how effective health works? HP is the only stat for tanks? Oh, you!

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Originally Posted by InVizO

5500 HP btw, for the tank that linked the photos, is fine for every content in duty finder except Titan(you will want to build your own PT for Titan), so whats your problem?

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I do Titan DF PuG fine as is. I won't argue that a built PT is better even if you can only get 2-3 players and PuG the rest. If I needed 8k HP to do Titan I wouldn't have been able to get my relic in the first place. It would be more sensible to say that you would prefer Tanks to have certain gear for each content rather then HP. If I were to follow your "guide", a PLD would never be able to get there relic as even with full AF+1 PLD HP will never hit 8k.

If in fact you are talking about gear requirements, again SE plans to implement a minimum iLvl requirement in 2.1 to help alleviate the huge wave of undergeared jobs doing content they are clearly not ready for.

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Originally Posted by InVizO

Therefore the HP Requirements for TANKS in Duty Finder groups is as follows:
CM & Praetorium: Full AF1 Gear
Wanderers Palace: 4.6k HP
Amdapor Keep: 5.2k HP (6K if you plan to tome farm quicker than WP)
Ifrit: Meh who cares
Garuda: 5.5k HP
Titan: You dont pug Titan, maybe 8K HP

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You obviously don't know jack. To have 8k HP as a Warrior in Titan it means you have to have 80% i90 armor (myth and allagan) plus you'd need to eat HQ toast.

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Originally Posted by InVizO

Warriors are better at everything besides primals and coil, I don't discriminate on anything other than HP because, as a healer, I don't see much difference as far as mitigation until Garuda/Titan etc.

5500 HP btw, for the tank that linked the photos, is fine for every content in duty finder except Titan(you will want to build your own PT for Titan), so whats your problem?

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Originally Posted by Appleh4x

You obviously don't know jack. To have 8k HP as a Warrior in Titan it means you have to have 80% i90 armor (myth and allagan) plus you'd need to eat HQ toast.

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yeah and that sounds like one smooth run too. You guys say you can pug (DF) titan fine with less, but do 5 titan pugs (DF), I'll bet money you wipe at least 5 times throughout the runs.

Gotta hand it to Invizo, he's a mighty fine troll. He actually had me thinking he believed he was conveying facts.

This man deserves a bridge.

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Originally Posted by InVizO

yeah and that sounds like one smooth run too. You guys say you can pug (DF) titan fine with less, but do 5 titan pugs (DF), I'll bet money you wipe at least 5 times throughout the runs.

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I used DF to practice Titan till the heart phase. We beat him first go. Your statement is invalid.

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Originally Posted by InVizO

yeah and that sounds like one smooth run too. You guys say you can pug titan fine with less, but do 5 titan pugs, I'll bet money you wipe at least 5 times throughout the runs.

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I'm saying if you have that much AF+ and allagan gear you wouldn't be DF'ing Titan. Plus you wouldn't be eating food that cost 4k each.

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Originally Posted by InVizO

like this guy, obviously he missed "duty finder" I think I can safely lump the rest of the QQers in with him; not using their heads.

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"This Guy" don't need 6k on PLD or 8k on WAR to beat Titan.. but according to you its the Tank fault, right? And has noooothing to do with the "skill" of the healers right? lol.. It does not matter if you use Duty Finder or not.

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Originally Posted by InVizO

Meh, my skills speak for themselves in game. I've carried many peeps and Titan is nothing new to me.

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For someone that "skilled" i am surprised you only have 1 Relic and didnt touch Coil Turn 1 yet. For someone who does "carry" people through Titan, i am surprised how low your knowledge about the actual requirements are.

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Originally Posted by InVizO

I unlike many others get the proper gear before moving along in the content and carrying my own weight and some.

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Hold on.. you run around in AK Gear a couple DL pieces and telling people to get Allagan/Relic and call them ungeared? WoW.. that gave me a good laugh.

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Originally Posted by InVizO

Warriors are better at everything besides primals and coil

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You are making yourself look like a fool... wonder why i tank Coil Turn 4 then on WAR. And since you have not touched Turn 1 yet, you are one to talk about Coil lol. May you should start doing it, before you start talk about it?

Lol no these are way off, maybe more HP for a warrior, but a Paladin can have just over 4K and do up to Garuda/Amdapor Keep.
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Vitality for a Paladin is not the end-all stat. Properly using the defensive cooldowns and knowing a fight is top priority.

Im a war with bravura, AF+1 body, allagan shoes and a hero ring of fending.. i have no where near 8khp.. sitting at about 7.4 in a party

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Originally Posted by Hanabira

Im a war with bravura, AF+1 body, allagan shoes and a hero ring of fending.. i have no where near 8khp.. sitting at about 7.4 in a party

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Sorry yo, you just can't DF titan. Not good e-nuff.

EDIT: It's sarcasm. For those who might not take me with grains of salt. <3

What did you bump a month old troll thread for?

Although I can't deny this was a great thread. Wonder if the OP is still around, I could use some more laughs.

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Originally Posted by Freakiie

What did you bump a month old troll thread for?

Although I can't deny this was a great thread. Wonder if the OP is still around, I could use some more laughs.

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It beared repeating that it ended on such an empty note. No grande finale. No pièce de résistance. I just felt it aptly appropriate. Good point though :(

I have like 6.1k HP as a Paladin. Still don't have enough for Titan. :/

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Originally Posted by InVizO

Titan: You dont pug Titan, maybe 8K HP

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HAHAHAHAHAHA thx for that information, i finished Titan with far less than that...

This guy is a comedy...

8k hp for titan LMAOOO

wow 8k hp on titan...wow
It is becoming more common now for people to want classes to be over geared in order to run things designed for fresh lv50s. One of the warriors in my FC just hit 50 a few days ago and he's worrying about running DF WP due to only having his darklight belt at the moment. Due to time difference of the FC we can't run him all the time and he'd like to gear up when he has the time in order to join us in later content.

When running WP in a DF, or any lv50 dgn really, I wait for the first couple of pull, see the type of control the tank has and the damage he takes then use that as a guide on how heavy I need to heal or if I can switch to dps more often. Sure this may mean slower runs at times but we were all fresh 50's once :) I like to judge my tanks on skill rather than HP pools.

45 minutes for wp? How bad are the people you're playing with if most of them have a fair amount of dl and it still takes 45 minutes? Most df groups Ive been in clear it in about 25-30 minutes.

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Originally Posted by flamds1

45 minutes for wp? How bad are the people you're playing with if most of them have a fair amount of dl and it still takes 45 minutes? Most df groups Ive been in clear it in about 25-30 minutes.

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LOL yeah, i did 18min with two Garuda Bow's on a pug (usually it takes 10min with WHM/BLM/BLM on a pre-made). This guy is bad, so he blames the tank's gear.

Find me a 8k HP PLD please...

Mega Pot of Vit, Food and all other stuff in the world to have for 20 seconds over 8k HP!!!!! :P

I've been running Garuda for the sword for two weeks now and I've seen PLD HP range from 4.3k to 5.8k and had no problems with any of them.

I started tanking her myself around 5k HP and never had any issues. The Titan requirement is obviously absurd, but the Garuda one is just as bad.

What the deuce?

How in the world does the OP think all of us early level 50s cleared content via the DF? I went through DF and passed Garuda HM. Those requirements are way, way, way too high.

Has the DF really degraded *that* badly?

Some of these requirements are dumb. Shout at Rev's Toll or join a link shell. Who cares if it takes noobs 89mins to clear WP? If you want to speedrun/farm, don't use DF.

The amount of people taking this 1 month old trollthread seriously is too damn high!

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Originally Posted by FinagleABagel

What the deuce?

How in the world does the OP think all of us early level 50s cleared content via the DF? I went through DF and passed Garuda HM. Those requirements are way, way, way too high.

Has the DF really degraded *that* badly?

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When you're a horrible healer like the OP, you apparently need the tank to be wearing full i90 gear for Ifrit.

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Originally Posted by Freakiie

The amount of people taking this 1 month old trollthread seriously is too damn high!

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Crap - good call. I didn't even notice the OP date.

Sigh...people and their necro'ing. Is good forum etiquette really dead?

I have repeatedly finished ak in under 25min with an all af war tank, that knew how to hold hate. I have also spent 40min with a +1 tank who couldn't hold hate during aoes. One of our dps got locked out slime boss leaving me as the only dps and we still killed it before a third pop set and still finished in under 35min. Your first post has all these well geared for WP and you say its a 45min minimum? You need to learn how to run WP better. I constantly run with my fc members as I don't care to much if its 15 or 25 min for a run and even with 2 members being all white we can still finish in under 30min. As far as the tonberry boss goes a blm with GC wpn and af armor can easily take out all the tonberry adds. I also bet your upgraded to dl hands/feet before rings/neck/ear ect hands and ffet re generaly a 1-2 stat point gain where as the accessories are harder to come across, in ak only, and most the time provide 6-10 stat gains instead of 1-2.

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Originally Posted by Vindicate

Mega Pot of Vit, Food and all other stuff in the world to have for 20 seconds over 8k HP!!!!! :P

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thats about 70 VIT extra, but the best geared PL i know is about 6500hp, will 70 VIT really boost it to 8k?

I know on a bard 1 VIT = 16 HP roughly, so...

Really, OP really hasn't got a clue, easily DF titan. Of course some people who enter titan with DF sometimes are under-geared & normally first-timer. I don't mind helping these to get a feel & experience the fight to understand what needed. 8k for titan is a joke, i done it with 5.7k party buffed. I really dread what the OP will come up with when the moogle fight is available. here what the original fight in 1.0 look like
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C33YU24wdhY

at least a million