For those that keep asking "Why the **** do you play on PS3!?!?"

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Originally Posted by Ryios

Half the problem with people playing games like this is about 25% of the gaming community is technological smart (builds their own pc's, can write computer programs and app's for phones etc etc), and the other 75% does work in life where they don't know much about technology but are 100% dependent on it.

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Did you know that 94% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

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Originally Posted by Ryios

When I encounter people lagging badly, and moving funny, I try to help them configure their stuff better, but am generally met with "This is how I like to play, the server's lagging not me (partially true but not 100% true), don't tell me how to play the game etc etc so I just give up and run with people who don't lag and tell me they play with WAS and the mouse to move the camera"

PS3 and PS4 basically are PC's. They are computers in closed boxes with controlled hardware and a customized OS. That's all they are. Except said closed box is old enough that current PC's Blow them Away.

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Exactly mate. Its no wonder why mmo's are going down the gurgler. The ppl in this thread are testimony to that. " dont need vent " " dont tell me how to .." " i do what i want " ....etc

NO YOU WILL NOT DO WHAT YOU WANT if you run with me in hard content. You either use vent to hear whats going on so we dont waste time or you dont play with me.
When i played wow, it was our requirement. No vent, no raid....Why should it be any different in any progressional mmo?
I say hi in a dungeon, you remain silent and clearly have no idea what you are doing...I try to explain, you keep doing it, i leave, find another tank...

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Originally Posted by Skullcrusher

Exactly mate. Its no wonder why mmo's are going down the gurgler. The ppl in this thread are testimony to that. " dont need vent " " dont tell me how to .." " i do what i want " ....etc

NO YOU WILL NOT DO WHAT YOU WANT if you run with me in hard content. You either use vent to hear whats going on so we dont waste time or you dont play with me.
When i played wow, it was our requirement. No vent, no raid....Why should it be any different in any progressional mmo?
I say hi in a dungeon, you remain silent and clearly have no idea what you are doing...I try to explain, you keep doing it, i leave, find another tank...

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To be fair, this ain't WoW. Also the reverse could be said as well about why MMOs are in the 'gurgler'. Just saying.

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Originally Posted by Aerostein

To be fair, this ain't WoW. Also the reverse could be said as well about why MMOs are in the 'gurgler'. Just saying.

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Actually to that specific point was why, in the old days, Horde used to roflstomp Alliance in PvP. Horde would communicate, Alliance would say, "Dont tell me what to do." at every turn lol.

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Originally Posted by LovelessG

Even with the new PS4 it will still have a HDD installed. Which is why I already got my SSD ready to install into my Ps4 the moment I get it.

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SSDs produce a very minimal gain and depending on the brand, you may see no performance gain at all - SSDs almost qualify for myth status since they are generally held up as some form of mystical talisman to ward off poor HDD performance. There are only a few seconds for the cutscene loads, spending money on an SSD (which will be smaller than the HDD I have in my PS3 anyway, is not high on the list of things to do.

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Originally Posted by mindful

Game is ok on the ps3 to play, but just that people on the cpu do Got advantage. You can SSDD ,but why spend more money on one when ps4 around the corner. With direct 11 and a new client for cpu and ps4 players.

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Because you can install and SSD into the Ps3 and then turn around and install it into the Ps4. Since the Ps4 is still going to use a HDD when it comes out. Doing that on your Ps3 will help with your load times greatly and put you on par with PC players as far as load times go. ]

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Originally Posted by Rivienne

I can't to do voice chat, be it on PC or PS3. If it is needed, count me out. Same reason I don't allow talking in a car if I am driving. I can talk, listen, or actually focus on what I am doing. Don't ask me to do all three at the same time or my ability to do all of them will be compromised.

Also, I often find myself with amazingly good PS3 players. Some of the best players I have come across are on PS3. Some of the worst I have come across are also on PS3. Sadly I think the problem is people already have a bias going in, and see the bad ones, and automatically assume it proves their bias.

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I... am not sure why you quoted me.

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Originally Posted by mindful

As a console gamer for the last 35 years yes i played the intellivision (astrosmash), pong, and atari(pitfall) I Play on PS3 also. *snip*
1) No sugar coating. Flaws are takes to long for mobs to pop up on fates,
2)skipping CS still takes 3 second longer then the cpu players.
3)The PSN network causes additional lag that effects the game more then the pc players.
4)Do to the design flaw in the game with .3 second delay out of red circles.
5)Ps3 players seem to be afraid of using any 3rd party voice chat systems. I use them all from xbl,TS,Vent,Mumble,skype,raid call and the KB.

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I split your post into it's main points to make it easier to answer...

1. Mobs can take time to pop on PC as well, this is not a PS3 flaw. Slow appearance of any mobs in any environment, and especially during FATE is down to server lag, and drawing priority - as has been explicitly recognized by SE in the changes they are making to the drawing priority and culling - especially for Odin and Behemoth.
2. Skipping a cutscene takes 3 seconds longer...whoa, shocking, and not entirely unique to PS3. If that's your only concern about the PS3, you better check the CS load times on all but high end PCs.
3. PSN LAG? That's a completely false statement. PSN causes ZERO additional lag. PSN is used during the initial authentication process and launching of the game. After that, your PS3 talks to SEs servers, PSN is not involved at all.
4. The game position checks every 0.3 seconds. Just looking at nominal Internet lag you are going to see anything from 0.2s and up just from router hops. Doing a position check more often than 0.3 seconds would generate more network traffic, but do nothing to cure the lag when escaping an AoE. Try jumping as soon as you leave the circle, any action you perform once you move informs the server of your position at the time, so leave the AoE and jump. Alternately leave the AoE faster.
5. Believe it or not, a very many players have no desire to use voice chat. It's also true to say that my Free Company has many players actively playing end-game and they do not use voice-chat, and yet they have no problems completing runs, or participating in speed runs. Frankly, I don't want to listen to some self important manchild wailing over the voice chat trying to tell me what to do and then abusing me if I don't comply. If people know their job (and most of the people speed running and FATE grinding have NO clue how to play) and talk before starting things, they understand the strategy, and if they play their jobs and know each other, they know what to expect from their team mates. Communication via a keyboard is entirely viable, and very effective - it also means that no one has to juxtaposition my entirely male voice with my entirely female avatar.

None of the things you raise have any impact. It always comes back to three things;

Player skill matters more,
Define your strategy before starting anything,
and last haters are gonna hate, so what can you do?

SSD is not a solution to anything with this game, promoting those things as a solution is like promoting snake oil as a cure for the common cold.

Lastly, "cpu players"? What, you play with AI players? Or do you mean PC players? Technically PS3 has a CPU of course, so I guess we could all be cpu players.

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Originally Posted by Marael

and then there is paying hundreds, perhaps thousands of dollars on a computer I don't need, or even really want.

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You didn't need a PS3 either. And the money for a PS3 could have gone to a computer that is far better than a PS3. It doesn't cost thousands of dollars for a PC that can run anything on the market with flying colors.

With that said though, if someone has a PS3 already and doesn't have the money to upgrade their computer(or just isn't a computer person), then it's their choice to play it on a console. You just have to have the understanding that it IS inferior to the alternative. Can you still play and do well? Absolutely. But it shouldn't be a shock that others can't even fathom it considering the massive step up a computer is.

I believe this has been said before, and maybe in this thread....not reading it all. I wont question why you play on the console as I welcome the added player base(as long as the psn isn't xXDarkKnight420Xx lol) just don't blame any shortcomings on the ps3 like not dodging an aoe or being able to do....well much of anything.

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Originally Posted by Firescorpio

This a million times over

"i'm on ps3 i can't get on ts,mumble etc" Let me get this straight so just because youre on PS·{snip]

Then somehow i'm the elitist for not wanting them in my coil party because they are the one's who aren't willing to meet the basic requirements.

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In a game where voice chat simply is not necessary to succeed (people do just fine without it so suggesting otherwise is a complete lie so don't bother), getting mad because people choose not to use it is ridiculous, worse yet assuming its some "basic requirement" and that people who choose not to are "lazy", is in fact elitist, duh.

It's also not natively supported, and no one needs to go out of their way to listen to idiots chew potato chips in their ear all day because they think chat somehow makes their party better when it doesn't.

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Originally Posted by Battlewrench

I believe this has been said before, and maybe in this thread....not reading it all. I wont question why you play on the console as I welcome the added player base(as long as the psn isn't xXDarkKnight420Xx lol) just don't blame any shortcomings on the ps3 like not dodging an aoe or being able to do....well much of anything.

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My wife plays on a PS3 and she dodges AOE better than anyone in our FC, so anyone saying that just sucks and has nothing to do with the system.

Edit: @ Battlewrench I figured as much, just wanted to reiterate to squash any false belief about PS3 dungeon performance. ^^

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Originally Posted by Phogg

My wife plays on a PS3 and she dodges AOE better than anyone in our FC, so anyone saying that just sucks and has nothing to do with the system.

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That was my point. ^^

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Originally Posted by Phogg

In a game where voice chat simply is not necessary to succeed (people do just fine without it so suggesting otherwise is a complete lie so don't bother), getting mad because people choose not to use it is ridiculous, worse yet assuming its some "basic requirement" and that people who choose not to are "lazy", is in fact elitist, duh.

It's also not natively supported, and no one needs to go out of their way to listen to idiots chew potato chips in their ear all day because they think chat somehow makes their party better when it doesn't.

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Must of had some bad experiences with a VoIP. Generally at least in my fc push to talk is mandatory so you wouldn't hear that potato chip guy.Again peps can play the game how they want and should seek like minded peps to play with. For us anyways using a VoIP to communicate is a lot more fun and a bit quicker to communicate when something in the game requires a quick communication. With a VoIP you don't have to take your eyes off your character and look at a chat that you may not notice scrolled up or down some. Also atleast for me anyways I get to know my fc mates a bit better.

While content may not require a VoIP as you say, but it really helps out say like on Titan with a person calling out the rotation or if something goes sour you can quickly modify your pre determined strat to get the kill. Heck even in 4 mans with my fc we can chat while we do another mind numbing ak or wp and help the run seem atleast a little bit less boring.

This what I think anyways. Best of luck to you in coil/pvp and beyond.

PC Master Race.

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Originally Posted by Marael

I've been playing the game since early access on PS3. I did beta 3 and 4 on PC. When I say that I'm playing on PS3 pretty much everyone in the entire game has the same reaction. "Why the F**k would anyone ever play this game on PS3" Which is usually followed by some sort of BS about graphics. (which is probably the absolute LEAST important thing to me when choosing a game to play btw).

Short version, because my PC isn't powerful enough to run the game smoothly. It kept overheating and I had to turn the graphics settings almost all the way down just to be able to even move my character.

Long version. There are things that you need, and things that you want. I NEED to pay my mortgage. I NEED to pay my utilities. I NEED to provide food, shelter and clothing for my children. I NEED to pay my wife's tuition. I NEED to pay my car payment. I NEED to pay my car insurance and gas for two vehicles. I DO NOT need a new computer, especially if it is just to be able to play ONE game. I'm not the richest man on earth. I'm not poor, but then, there are things that I need, and there are things that I want, and then there is paying hundreds, perhaps thousands of dollars on a computer I don't need, or even really want. Especially when the game I want to play is also available on a system that I already own. I could buy that new computer, but then I would have to take money out of the account I set up to save for college for my children. Sorry boys, daddy wanted to play video games so you can pay for your own college. Or I could take money from my rainy day fund. Sorry boys, daddy can't afford to fix the roof because he would rather be playing video games.

Do you see what I'm getting at here? When you move out of your parents' home, and provide for yourself and your family completely, without aid from your parents in any way, there are far more important things to spend your money on, or put it away to save for. Why would I spend a few thousand bucks on a computer that would mostly be used for MS office and internet surfing, when i could just as easily play this game on a system I already own and be quite happy with it?

So, the next time you feel the need to belittle someone because they choose to play on PS3 instead of PC, maybe you should ask yourself if maybe playing a video game in full resolution/graphics mode might not be the most important thing in that person's life. The happiness and security of my family always comes before leisure activities that I can live without.

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If you're done with your sermon about real life now...

Nobody really cares why you are playing on PS3. It's just the cool (and stupid) thing to do to laugh at those who do and question why. Now here's a question: why do you care what they think? Why even announce that you're on PS3? (outside of a request to jump on voice chat anyway)

I'm not saying this to be a jerk, just to offer constructive advice. You can ignore what 99% of people say because most of it, especially on the internet is worth less than the fecal matter you flush down the toilet on a daily basis. Obviously I'm being facetious about the 99% thing... but think about what people say before you decide it's worth replying to, thinking about or being annoyed by. The dude telling me that if I change my rotation this way or that can improve my dps or let me move around more to avoid stuff is trying to be helpful. The idiot that says "lol why would you play with such crappy graphics" is not worth your time.

Don't give the idiots out there the power to ruin your day.

*Disclaimer: I don't care what system you play on as long as you can do your share and dodge stuff.

The only time I announce I'm on PS3 is if I'm in Castrum and everybody is too busy being a speed demon to notice that I'm still loading. So I announce it in hopes they don't pre-maturely engage the boss and lock me out..