Castrum grind might stop me from subbing

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Originally Posted by Seregil

All I got from this thread is that a) you don't want to work for your gear like everyone else has been doing, you just want to have it handed to you on a gilded-silver ornate platter, and b) you don't understand the difference between TOMESTONES and tombstones.

Farming the same dungeons for specific gear has been an MMO staple for many, many years. I'm sorry that MMO's, therefore, may not be your cup of tea.

Best of luck in your future non-MMO gaming endeavors.

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What the f^%$ are you on about, i've played 80+ MMO's in my life and i've never seen a grind like this game makes you do, saying its an mmo staple is outright BULLSHIT, maybe play something other than FF11 FF14 and WoW and you might notice you are full of it.

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Originally Posted by DanteMog

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What the f^%$ are you on about, i've played 80+ MMO's in my life and i've never seen a grind like this game makes you do, saying its an mmo staple is outright BULLSHIT, maybe play something other than FF11 FF14 and WoW and you might notice you are full of it.

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I'm like 900% Positive there aren't even 80 MMOs in existence. Now or in the past.

Regardless, the reason this game is so grindy right now is cause its new... Sure there have been better launches and worse, but theres very few options in terms of Dungeons and such in most MMO Launches. Personally, I would love if Guildleves or Guildhests gave Tomes, would actually give me a reason to do either of them (Leves i use on Crafts Entirely)... A lot of quality improvements are coming in 2.1... Just wish it would get here already lol

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Originally Posted by Rushx

i cant take anymore castrum its the only VIABLE

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So explain to me how it's the Only viable way?

Lets just totally exclude Wanderer's palace from the equation, cause you know it's not like you can't do it in Half the time, while picking about about 50 tomestones, plus other loot. Get a 4 person party, and just grind out wanderer's palace, turn in gear drops you don't want to use for GC seals, sell the relic weapon parts on the MB cause there are always idiots willing to buy them, etc. Problem solved.

Instead of automatically writing every other option off without considering, try actually figuring it all out.

Goodbye
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That's why we won't sub. Repeating CM and AK over and over and over isn't good game design. Maybe we'll try again when 2.1 hits.

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Originally Posted by Rushx

dunno why i bother looking for real answers in a forums always the same cookie cutter replys

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That's mainly because the replies are to cookie cutter complaints ;)

As for CM being the only viable way of obtaining tomestones, not really. You can get more tomestones per hour in, for example, a good Garuda HM group, with the added benefit that you can farm Garuda weapons.

That said, I do wish there was a bit more variety as well (which is hopefully coming with 2.1), and that trash has a chance of dropping a couple of tomestones so it doesn't feel completely useless killing them :)

What a dumbass reason to stop subbing. You do know o
You can still progress without farming cm right? You do know that no one is forcing you to run cm right?

So stop blaming cm farms. You are not being tied to do cm runs silly kid. You have a lot of options like crafting make money then buy the crafted i70s.

I admit Castrum is starting to kill me slowly on the inside :(.

They needed more dungeons from the start that actually dropped DL gear. I can see the next hard mode dungeons coming into the game at 2.1 will be for DL gears.. and what ever Crystal Tower throws at us.

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Originally Posted by BlaiseArath

I'm like 900% Positive there aren't even 80 MMOs in existence. Now or in the past.

Regardless, the reason this game is so grindy right now is cause its new... Sure there have been better launches and worse, but theres very few options in terms of Dungeons and such in most MMO Launches. Personally, I would love if Guildleves or Guildhests gave Tomes, would actually give me a reason to do either of them (Leves i use on Crafts Entirely)... A lot of quality improvements are coming in 2.1... Just wish it would get here already lol

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Mmorpg.com>Game list.
There is alot of MMO's actually... most are terrible.

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Originally Posted by Rushx

i cant take anymore castrum its the only VIABLE way to get tombs and well ive just about had enough of it.
I actually like the game its gameplay and story and its boss fights etc but the thought of having to farm the same dungeon ( and its not even a proper one) over and over mindlessly has sadly put me off this game.

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How, exactly, is Castrum the only viable option? Praetorium is not only more fun, with relatively decent gear (some DL) it can be run as fast as Castrum. If by "viable" you mean "can be slept through, can AFK through, don't have to think about," then you shouldn't be subbing at all. I wouldn't want to encounter you in my random DF Praetoria, but fortunately since you'll only run the worst possible "grinding" dungeon, ignoring Amdapor Keep or the Praetorium, Wanderer's Palace, or Primal HMs. Pathetic.

Idk I got 3 full DL sets from CM in a week and don't really mind it too much, what I mind is that there isn't much to do after.

If you think CM is a problem... Just wait till you hit that myth tome cap and do the math realizing how long it will take before you can get even a single set of ilev 90.
http://intothemists.com/ffxiv/chart_for_end_game/







*spoiler*
That's about 5 months of playing 30-50 hours a week (more if DPS and not good enough to get in static groups). May as well just quit now or suck it up.

oh well? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Originally Posted by Seregil

All I got from this thread is that a) you don't want to work for your gear like everyone else has been doing, you just want to have it handed to you on a gilded-silver ornate platter, and b) you don't understand the difference between TOMESTONES and tombstones.

Farming the same dungeons for specific gear has been an MMO staple for many, many years. I'm sorry that MMO's, therefore, may not be your cup of tea.

Best of luck in your future non-MMO gaming endeavors.

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Farming the same dungeon with mechanics you could evade in your sleep. So challenging.
/sarcasm

"I rushed to endgame less than a month after release and now I'm mad that I only have one dungeon to do over and over!"

SE should have known that people would bum-rush the content and it's their bad for not giving enough stuff to do at the end....

although...

The amount of endgame content at launch was not a secret, and no one was forced to level up so fast.

Wouldn't have been a problem if SE didn't remove AK speed runs and implemented a small fix to the DF where you can't reque in the dungeon after you finished it.

You never have to spam castrum. Ever. I only ever do AK one or twice a day, which is enough to cap myth every week and pull in 640 phil tomes. Thats 1200 myth and 2560 phil per month playing very casually. More than enough time to reach full darklight and some af2 for Crystal Tower patch.

A more serious player could easily double that rate. I don't see the problem.

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Originally Posted by Seregil

The above quote is a symptom of what I call "World of Warcraft Syndrome". You want to jump into raids, but don't want to work to get the gear you need in order to raid. It's also called "laziness" and "entitlement".

Also, I would estimate 90% of the MMO playerbase "work for a living" and "can't play 24/7". That's simply no excuse.

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Get a legendary in WoW and tell me how easy it was to get. Also try to beat a heroic raid boss with no gear from normal mode raids or the justice/valor gear or the dungeon gear. Also you probably don't know what any of this means. So stop using WoW as a hate target for your uneducated insults.

I'm confused... surely the primary goal/focus of this world is not to simply get the best possible equipment in existence? I thought we had a world full of other things to do besides get the best possible equipment?

And even if you had the best possible, short of standing around with others who now wear the identical equipment to you, what else is there for you to do? Does having the best unlock a bunch of fun and exciting content you could not access otherwise?

I think by focusing on a tiny aspect of the game (get tomes to get super douper gear) you are missing out on the main focus of this game: Explore, Adventure, Make Friends, have fun.

Perhaps the problem simply is that for whatever reason, you've focused on an aspect of the game that was not meant to be the focal point. And as long as you do that, you may not be enjoying the game as it was meant to be.

I'm not sure why people in this thread don't seem to be getting that the next patch and pretty much every patch thereafter will add more options for obtaining the resources and gear you desire.

AK now is crap. No idea why it takes forever to reserve instance.

So what once was easy and fast now includes massive time sink waiting just do 1 AK.

Just saying...

So just don't do castrum and prae. It's kinda like so just don't do fates for leveling. Sure they are the best, but they are also god awful mind numbing snorefests. As tedious as AK is after 50 runs it's still better, to me, than the thought of running some 8 man zerg fest speed run through some crappy story dungeon. Just do AK, only takes a couple extra days. I don't do fates and I don't do 8 man story dungeons for tomes. Refuse to.

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Originally Posted by SIXTYONESIX

"I rushed to endgame less than a month after release and now I'm mad that I only have one dungeon to do over and over!"

SE should have known that people would bum-rush the content and it's their bad for not giving enough stuff to do at the end....

although...

The amount of endgame content at launch was not a secret, and no one was forced to level up so fast.

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The rushing comments don't suffice anymore. Even very casual players should be reaching 50 by now. I'm on my 4th 50 but I play a decent bit.

I wish SE would have gave us 2.1 at launch. Yes this game was launched early, so I understand why we have 2 dungeons to run but its killing me too.

When monday comes, I dread capping out my mythology with AK.

I really dislike repetition. At least SE should have made randomly generated dungeons similar to phantasy star online. The game had 4 dungeons and everyone kept playing it lol. It didnt even feel repetitive.