This is why the community/DF is so terrible.

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Originally Posted by Faedden

Since MAJORITY of the people running those dungeons are doing it for tomes.

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If the majority of the people running the dungeons are doing it for tomes, they should be using premades. You skip the queue, you skip all the CS's, you skip all the mobs you can, everyone wins.

Versus not using a premade, where you have to wait in the queue, someone's probably watching cutscenes, and there's a fair chance that someone's going to accidentally pull something skippable.

So why the hell would you Duty Finder a speedrun?

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

If the majority of the people running the dungeons are doing it for tomes, they should be using premades. You skip the queue, you skip all the CS's, you skip all the mobs you can, everyone wins.

Versus not using a premade, where you have to wait in the queue, someone's probably watching cutscenes, and there's a fair chance that someone's going to accidentally pull something skippable.

So why the hell would you Duty Finder a speedrun?

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Because not everyone has a static, FC, or LS then even though you might have a FC or LS you might now have enough people. Just because you have a FC or LS doesn't mean everyone in there is level 50 or even decent players.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

I agree - she should have left.

But that doesn't change the fact that DF is virtually useless for players who want to actually enjoy the game. Her case is practically the norm for certain types of content.

Not working as intended, I'd say.

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Since DF was never meant to be the sole tool to get into party content I think its working as intended. SE has no control over douche bags. But hey coming 2.1 we get a party grouping tool beside DF.

cry about it on the forums, it will surely solve the problem.

Glad OPer is not on my server.

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Originally Posted by Faedden

Because not everyone has a static, FC, or LS then even though you might have a FC or LS you might now have enough people. Just because you have a FC or LS doesn't mean everyone in there is level 50 or even decent players.

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Make an LS. You're allowed to have 8. Seriously, if you want to take the penultimate dungeon of the game's story <i>knowing full well that people run it for the story<i> and turn it into a speed-run farm, then you're doing everyone a favor by making a static or an LS.

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Originally Posted by Artamie

After seeing all these topics about people's duty finder woes I can't help but wonder why they don't seem to have any plans to fix it.


2) Implement a rate-up system reputation system that gives the option for people to rate up the reputation of other players. If you believe the players in your party have done well and they would be just as pleasant to people in other parties you can give them a thumbs-up on a menu which pops up after the completion of a dungeon upon clicking the exit node. Note this does not give the option to rate players down..

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They announced something along these lines already. More of a reputation equals perks, as opposed to grouping using it however. So the better your reputation, the more perks you get. So there is incentive to be nice, but not incentive to not be.

A positive reinforcement approach instead of a negative one. I am optimistic it will help. How much only time will tell.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

Stuff.

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Just because you're allowed to have 8 doesnt mean everyone wants 8 or even one. Point is if you want to run a dungeon that is needed to get end game gear where the MAJORITY of people are running it for tomes and then watch cs. Then YOU make a static or an LS. I mean just think about it. The few people running it for the story only need to do it once so they've moved on. So your odds of getting a speed run group is extremely high! Get a LS, FC, or static if you want to slowly watch all the cut scenes. See how it can keep going back and forth?

Since majority of the people are speed running, make a static and then you'll do majority of the people a favor by not using df. It's a majority rule type situation since MAJORITY of the people running that dungeon are doing it for tomes be prepared for a speed run. If you get a group that isn't and you're a speed runner (talking in general) be prepared to wait for everyone to watch the CS. All this "I'm important and I want to do what I want if I want to make 7 people wait that's their fault" "If I want to rush 7 people that's their fault" is really the problem.

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Originally Posted by Faedden

Just because you're allowed to have 8 doesnt mean everyone wants 8 or even one. Point is if you want to run a dungeon that is needed to get end game gear where the MAJORITY of people are running it for tomes and then watch cs. Then YOU make a static or an LS. I mean just think about it. The few people running it for the story only need to do it once so they've moved on. So your odds of getting a speed run group is extremely high! Get a LS, FC, or static if you want to slowly watch all the cut scenes. See how it can keep going back and forth?

Since majority of the people are speed running, make a static and then you'll do majority of the people a favor by not using df. It's a majority rule type situation since MAJORITY of the people running that dungeon are doing it for tomes be prepared for a speed run. If you get a group that isn't and you're a speed runner (talking in general) be prepared to wait for everyone to watch the CS. All this "I'm important and I want to do what I want if I want to make 7 people wait that's their fault" "If I want to rush 7 people that's their fault" is really the problem.

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If you were given a yes/no option at the start, you would have a point. However, the cutscenes are there to be watched. If you don't do something to opt out, you watch them. That means SE intended for people to watch them unless they choose not to. That means it's the DEFAULT. That means if you want something different than DEFAULT, YOU make your own group. It's like role requirements on a dungeon. If you want something that differs from the default YOU make your own group. You can argue against this til you're blue in the face, but that's the precedent that's set.

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Originally Posted by Faedden

Just because you're allowed to have 8 doesnt mean everyone wants 8 or even one. Point is if you want to run a dungeon that is needed to get end game gear where the MAJORITY of people are running it for tomes and then watch cs. Then YOU make a static or an LS. I mean just think about it. The few people running it for the story only need to do it once so they've moved on. So your odds of getting a speed run group is extremely high! Get a LS, FC, or static if you want to slowly watch all the cut scenes. See how it can keep going back and forth?

It's a majority rule type situation since MAJORITY of the people running that dungeon are doing it for tomes be prepared for a speed run. If you get a group that isn't and you're a speed runner (talking in general) be prepared to wait for everyone to watch the CS. All this "I'm important and I want to do what I want if I want to make 7 people wait that's their fault" "If I want to rush 7 people that's their fault" is really the problem.

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Actually no, it is not majority rule. I have mentioned this in another thread, and I will do so again, because this attitude is actually incorrect from the developers perspective and it is harmful to the community overall to keep harboring it and repeating it as it feeds back into the hostile attitude towards new and inexperienced players.

I understand not having enough players, however the developers have previously stated on more than one occasion that the DF was geared towards new players. They expect the DF to be used to guide new players through to end game, especially as a way to ease new people to MMO's into things because they won't have a group yet, maybe they aren't familiar with MMO's at all, and as such, they have introduced cut scenes for these new players into these dungeons, to make it fun for them as a stepping stone towards end-game, where they will hopefully have become comfortable enough with the experience to group up with others to make a FC to run end game with together.

I want to keep emphasizing it so people get this. Anyone who is using the DF to do speed runs, at the detriment of other players, even if only one, is violating the intended purpose of the DF, and are actually contributing to an environment that if left unchecked, will turn new players away from the game.

This is what you need to understand. The DF is for the new players. Not for doing a speed run. If you wish to do a speed run it is expected you will group up, be it with your own FC or LS, or with random people on your server who are up for it. If you do a DF and get a group willing to go for a speed run, that is perfectly wonderful. But it cannot be the expected norm, as it is undermining the very reason for the DF.