I think Summoners are fine.

I think this thread is done. No convincing people who don't know how to play.

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Originally Posted by savant07

THAT.IS.BARRAGE....and thus exactly my point. Learn to play your class BEFORE COMPLAINING

You are the reason summoners are getting a bad name.

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The class itself and the way it plays is why its getting a bad name, not me, someone, a very small fraction of playerbase are actually on the forums. Stop being a dickhead man, Im trying to have a decent conversation about problems with the class. Just like Nichigo said, your attitude is piss poor.

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Originally Posted by Rover1983

@ Kevee

How can you say our setup is the same? 4 Dots cast, 3 with 2.5 second cast times and in between each dot cast, the previous dot ticks therefor our dot dmg goes like this and these numbers are all just numbers throwing out there.

Dot cast, dot 2 cast(dot 1 ticks for 5), dot 3 cast(dot 1, 2 tick for 10), Dot 4 cast(dots 1,2, & 3 tick for 15), GCD hits, so our dmg goes, 5, 10, 15, 20 ramping up after each dot so no our setup time dmg is no where near other classes. How can you honestly say that it is? Our dmg slowly ramps up due to our casting time on dots. And while festers dmg is nice, it still isnt on par with a BLM's nuke.

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I have literally posted the numbers about this before, and you have literally posted in response to it.

We do 725 potency in the first 3 GCDs and that's directly comparable to any other job unless they use off-GCD damage CDs.

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Originally Posted by Kevee

I have literally posted the numbers about this before, and you have literally posted in response to it.

We do 725 potency in the first 3 GCDs and that's directly comparable to any other job unless they use off-GCD damage CDs.

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What are you using that adds up to 725 potency in 3 GCDs? Just curious.

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Originally Posted by Rover1983

The class itself and the way it plays is why its getting a bad name, not me, someone, a very small fraction of playerbase are actually on the forums. Stop being a dickhead man, Im trying to have a decent conversation about problems with the class. Just like Nichigo said, your attitude is piss poor.

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When you complain about low, or bad, damage, it is you.

We do not do low, or bad, damage. If you are doing low damage, it is you.

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Originally Posted by Kevee

I have literally posted the numbers about this before, and you have literally posted in response to it.

We do 725 potency in the first 3 GCDs and that's directly comparable to any other job unless they use off-GCD damage CDs.

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Prediction: He will tell you your math is wrong.

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Originally Posted by Rover1983

What are you using that adds up to 725 potency in 3 GCDs? Just curious.

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GCD 1 Obey + Bio II
1s in 100 pot from garuda
GCD 2 - Miasma - 20 Potency + 35 potency from Bio II + 100 Potency from Garuda
GCD 3 - Bio - 70 Potency From Bio II + Miasma
In between GCD 300 from fester, 100 from garuda


725

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Originally Posted by savant07

Prediction: He will tell you your math is wrong.

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Seriously man, leave the thread. Your not contributing anything other then making yourself out to be more of a dickhead.

Not sure i asked at the correct place, but here goes:-

1. When i am SMN and i did my rotation and fester upon CD. I notice my mana drops quite low at the end of the day as i spam ruin when my dots were up. Anyway to counter this beside asking BRD to gimp their dps? Pots? food?

2. Did you guys spam ruin II as well? or totally leave it out from rotation and just focusing on ruin?

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Originally Posted by Marcusow86

Not sure i asked at the correct place, but here goes:-

1. When i am SMN and i did my rotation and fester upon CD. I notice my mana drops quite low at the end of the day as i spam ruin when my dots were up. Anyway to counter this beside asking BRD to gimp their dps? Pots? food?

2. Did you guys spam ruin II as well? or totally leave it out from rotation and just focusing on ruin?

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1. Your mana will run low over the course of the fight, but unless you need to battle rez or re-summon your pet you should be fine. This is factoring in if all the DPS is competent and finishes the encounter in time. If not, you will need to use Energy Drain.

2. Only use Ruin II when you need to use an oGCD skill(like Bane, Fester, Energy Drain, Raging Strikes, Rouse, Spur, Enkindle, etc).