Midgardsormr and the Airship in Mor Dhona!

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Originally Posted by Fleurette

Aha! That makes a little more sense, then. Thanks, Mr. Moose!

Also, yeah, now that I'm looking at the map I realize how far Carteneau was from Mor Dhona/Silvertear Lake. For some reason I'd always assumed Carteneau was a part of Mor Dhona itself, probably because of how it was implied in-game and because i thought they wanted to have kind of a "full-circle"-esque effect where it all started at Silvertear Skies, and it'd end in the same area. But seeing how far away it is, yeah, Bahamut probably didn't even want to bother with the Silvertear area. (for lack of better phrasing. :P)

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Based on the closest estimates I have seen, Cartenau Flats is that inaccessable low area south of Castrum Novum, where you view the crashed airship during the quest "Don't Hate the Messenger".

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Originally Posted by Fleurette

Aha! That makes a little more sense, then. Thanks, Mr. Moose!

Also, yeah, now that I'm looking at the map I realize how far Carteneau was from Mor Dhona/Silvertear Lake. For some reason I'd always assumed Carteneau was a part of Mor Dhona itself, probably because of how it was implied in-game and because i thought they wanted to have kind of a "full-circle"-esque effect where it all started at Silvertear Skies, and it'd end in the same area. But seeing how far away it is, yeah, Bahamut probably didn't even want to bother with the Silvertear area. (for lack of better phrasing. :P)

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Cartaneau Flats is basically the connecting area between the zone north of Camp Blue Fog and south west of Camp Brittlebark. It's probably a big Ceruleum Fields area...or atleast was before the battle and Bahamut. As for the Agrias and Midgarsormr, chances are if anything 'destroyed' them it would be the rise of the Crystal Tower under the Silvertear Lake. It'll be interesting to see if SE leaves the tourist attraction in, maybe even have it's fate spared and the Crystal Tower rises from somewhere else.

The geomancer in me is screaming at the contradictory map situation here...

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Originally Posted by Catapult

The geomancer in me is screaming at the contradictory map situation here...

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The Cartenau flats is an area west of the westernmost point players can reach in Northern thanalan.

In fact, based on the terrain, it has more in common with Mor Dhona.

Check this out:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...7/cartenau.png

The areas marked in black are explorable. That entire peninsula Marked in red, including the Cartenau flats we are unable to explore.

Based on the info we have, the green circle is where the battle took place, and the asterisk I marked as the location of the crashed airship in "Don't Hate the Messenger". Seeing that this is where the train of magitech for the final event stopped, further supports this likelihood.

I hope that makes things a bit clearer. It is likely the GC commanders were all up top near that Garlean crate to observe the skirmish during the cutscene.

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Originally Posted by NoloeTazier

As for the Agrias and Midgarsormr, chances are if anything 'destroyed' them it would be the rise of the Crystal Tower under the Silvertear Lake. It'll be interesting to see if SE leaves the tourist attraction in, maybe even have it's fate spared and the Crystal Tower rises from somewhere else.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post992446

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

The Cartenau flats is an area west of the westernmost point players can reach in Northern thanalan.

In fact, based on the terrain, it has more in common with Mor Dhona.

Check this out:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...7/cartenau.png

The areas marked in black are explorable. That entire peninsula Marked in red, including the Cartenau flats we are unable to explore.

Based on the info we have, the green circle is where the battle took place, and the asterisk I marked as the location of the crashed airship in "Don't Hate the Messenger". Seeing that this is where the train of magitech for the final event stopped, further supports this likelihood.

I hope that makes things a bit clearer. It is likely the GC commanders were all up top near that Garlean crate to observe the skirmish during the cutscene.

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I should probably explain better...

http://static2.finalfantasyxiv.com/a...Yp1C3ilogc.png

I'm being generous with how much space the Mor Dhona Map takes up on the Eorzea Map - it more likely sits wholly inside the crater, but I believe this better articulates the layout. The red star shows where the Garlean airship crashed.

If the effort was centered at Cartenau Flats, why the bloody hells were we a whole bloody mountain range away from the action during those last few hours?

((I'm calling it now: map limitations and a need to put the battle somewhere in-game. Hence why my geo-sense is screaming.))

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Originally Posted by Catapult

If the effort was centered at Cartenau Flats, why the bloody hells were we a whole bloody mountain range away from the action during those last few hours?

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I was under the impression that we were trying to intercept the forces leaving Castrum Novum before they were able to get to Cartenau, where our GC leaders were holding the front lines. In the grand total of 10 minutes of that 2 hours the servers were up, I followed the action from the Castrum to the south and west, so I figured that's where they were headed.

Maybe there were some clues in the dialogue that mostly happened while we were offline, lol.

But, yes, you're right - the battle had to happen somewhere we could go.

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Originally Posted by Alaltus

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post992446

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What I was saying is, the Crystal Tower will be huge and that we don't know if that attraction will still be in Mor Dhona in ARR. Chances are the Crystal Tower will emerge and the Agrias and Midgarsormr will be destroyed.

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I was under the impression that we were trying to intercept the forces leaving Castrum Novum before they were able to get to Cartenau, where our GC leaders were holding the front lines. In the grand total of 10 minutes of that 2 hours the servers were up, I followed the action from the Castrum to the south and west, so I figured that's where they were headed.

Maybe there were some clues in the dialogue that mostly happened while we were offline, lol.

But, yes, you're right - the battle had to happen somewhere we could go.

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Chances are if we had intercepted the Garleans directly north of Camp Bluefog, many lives would be lost in Ceruleum explosions..after all that's where the extractors are. So it only makes sense to protect something that has strategic value by setting the frontline even further north. Also the GC Leaders seemed to be taking the fight to the Garleans instead of waiting for them to come..and we don't know if anyone was in charge of the VIIth with Van Darnus having been disposed of.

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Originally Posted by NoloeTazier

What I was saying is, the Crystal Tower will be huge and that we don't know if that attraction will still be in Mor Dhona in ARR. Chances are the Crystal Tower will emerge and the Agrias and Midgarsormr will be destroyed.



Chances are if we had intercepted the Garleans directly north of Camp Bluefog, many lives would be lost in Ceruleum explosions..after all that's where the extractors are. So it only makes sense to protect something that has strategic value by setting the frontline even further north. Also the GC Leaders seemed to be taking the fight to the Garleans instead of waiting for them to come..and we don't know if anyone was in charge of the VIIth with Van Darnus having been disposed of.

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Except Darnus is not gone. ;)

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Originally Posted by Rex

Except Darnus is not gone. ;)

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Devs assured us he is pushing up daisies.