Ragdoll Physics on Bosses

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Originally Posted by TimonLoon

I like it but would like it much better if it only happened if players dealt an amount of damage that exceeds a certain % of the HP. For bosses something like 3-5% of their HP would equate to a stagger or flinching. Also they should have it happen all the time when the boss is below 15% of their max HP.

This indicates progression throughout the encounter.

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I agree with this.

While the dragon's animation in the trailer is no different than bosses today that doesn't mean that I like the behavior in 1.0 either. I think having the monster react to weapons skills/percent damage/critical hits only would be much more effective.

Having a ferocious beast seemingly unphased by your normal attack makes that beast much more intimidating, giving the fight a greater sense of challenge. It also opens up psychological avenues as well. What happens when that previously unflinching ferocious beast reacts in pain to your critical weapon skill. That feels like a much greater accomplishment than if it were just standard behavior, and I think that's the core of the problem.

Upon the first watch I didn't really notice anything wrong with the fight. When I fight Ifrit I don't really notice it either. If it were more of a rare occurrence then maybe I would and it would also provide me with a positive feedback loop.

So in my opinion, while it's not a problem per se, I think the feel of battle would greatly benefit from "adding some weight" to bosses a little more.

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Originally Posted by Rhomagus

I agree with this.

While the dragon's animation in the trailer is no different than bosses today that doesn't mean that I like the behavior in 1.0 either. I think having the monster react to weapons skills/percent damage/critical hits only would be much more effective.

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Yeah, since a lot of enemies feel weightless, especially after getting rid of collision detection.

Kinda necro posting here but.. Having played alpha, I believe this excessive boss flinching needs to be fixed. The final dungeon boss bounces around like crazy each time he gets hit he flinches a ton. Seems kinda fake to me and I would prefer that he only flinch once in a while or maybe say after each time a combo is executed or something or after certain damage thresholds

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Originally Posted by Diminou

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

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ehh. he's just saying they haven't changed it from what we saw in the limit break trailer.

And yes the dragon definitely bounces too much. Doesn't sound hard to fix so we'll see how things are in beta. After all, that's a more updated ARR so maybe its been taken into account. Nothing wrong with mentioning it now though. Whoever seemingly doesn't think anything is wrong must have not seen the trailer. Go watch it.

Off-topic - Watching that trailer again got me a little excited. I'm still looking forward to ARR despite some of my critisizm. I noticed something interesting too.. A while ago I read that the limit break for blackmage requires the group to stand in front of the blackmage (like a wall) to initiate, and indeed the group goes into a formation in front of the BM for the limit break. That's cool! XD

Wow; I cant believe ppl are still posting to this thread :) So yeah, it isn't "Ragdoll" physics like originally mentioned but the impact animation the larger enemies take look out of context. I still stand by this comment but it doesn't seem that SE will be doing anything about it at this stage.

Amy, you're my hero!! You backed me up right after my post!

Yoshi-P: Initiate "Plan B." I.E.: Take another page from FF11 and scale back impact animation so it looks less Dragonball Z-esque 24/7, so the mobs don't look like they are all taking over 9000 damage per hit.

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Originally Posted by Bittereye

Wow; I cant believe ppl are still posting to this thread :) So yeah, it isn't "Ragdoll" physics like originally mentioned but the impact animation the larger enemies take look out of context. I still stand by this comment but it doesn't seem that SE will be doing anything about it at this stage.

Amy, you're my hero!! You backed me up right after my post!

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Exactly right, ragdoll physics are something usually used in fps games when opposition or you dies. Hit animation is what we're talking about here. Also, it would be nice to see change to the stance of both monster and player as hp decrese below a certain % point too, like they are exhausted. It has been used in singleplayer FF games, and it would live up to the standard.