Diversify Secondary stats in Evercold.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

That's not "impactful", that's like the most boring, uninspired and thoughtless replacement for an already bland system I've ever seen. At that point you might as well just remove stats from gear outright and give everyone a preset, about the same amount of player agency.
But yes, let's reduce the RPG in this barely-MMORPG even more.

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If players want higher API choose skill speed, if they want slower choose damage.

If players want more flexibility in dodging and uptime they can go with movement, more forgiveness tankiness go with defense, more forgiveness for failing mechanics go with healing rate increase.

If it were between the current system and removing all Rpg elements I would gladly go with the latter, at least that version is more honest and less of a pain to gear for. FFXIV has not had any player agency in character building for decades....like I thought this up in 5 minutes so god no it's not a well designed irontight design philosophy but it's better than nothing and as of now we have......nothing, just copy and pasting the balance answer to what is essentially a math question, not a player expression question.

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Originally Posted by Hanzz96

I really don't want a skill speed meta. This game is awful on ping and I really don't want to clip everything at like a 2.0 GCD. But yeah piety and tenacity need a bigger role and direct hit for super crit kinda sucks

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you don't know whatg you miss with skill speed was in the play. ever seen a warrior pull 6 cleaves before lol

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Originally Posted by Hanzz96

I really don't want a skill speed meta. This game is awful on ping and I really don't want to clip everything at like a 2.0 GCD. But yeah piety and tenacity need a bigger role and direct hit for super crit kinda sucks

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I mean we wont have double weaving in evercold evolved mode (most likely), so it shouldn't be a problem
And if we do, just don't meld it. even if the chagnes op proposes happen secondary stats will still be minor gains

Secondary stats could definitely use some adjustments, and merging the speed stats seems the most obvious to the point where I wonder why they just haven't done it already. Makes me think there's some weird back end jank that's preventing them from doing it.
Either way, of course it's true that the min maxers and spreadsheeters will figure out the meta builds but that's going to happen regardless. There will always be a meta build so it's not really worth worrying about it especially if it just makes things more fun and/or interesting for everyone else.

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Originally Posted by undull1

If players want higher API choose skill speed, if they want slower choose damage.

If players want more flexibility in dodging and uptime they can go with movement, more forgiveness tankiness go with defense, more forgiveness for failing mechanics go with healing rate increase.

If it were between the current system and removing all Rpg elements I would gladly go with the latter, at least that version is more honest and less of a pain to gear for. FFXIV has not had any player agency in character building for decades....like I thought this up in 5 minutes so god no it's not a well designed irontight design philosophy but it's better than nothing and as of now we have......nothing, just copy and pasting the balance answer to what is essentially a math question, not a player expression question.

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None of those options influence how you play your job but on top of that they are mostly superfluous.

You can perfectly dodge and keep uptime under the current base movement speed, all it takes is proper planning and fight knowledge. Additionally most mechanics that currently make it impossible to keep uptime through better planning do so for much longer than any amount of speed could help with, you can't "outrun" damage snapshotting by over two seconds.

Same problem applies to the other two options, their impact will most likely not even be noticeable.
We can already see it with Tenacity right now, you never actually need the additional mitigation because incoming tank damage is entirely designed around not having it. All you need to comfortably deal with tank mechanics are your cooldowns and whatever HP and defense values you have at minimum item level.
Surviving a tank buster with 30% HP or 40% makes functionally no difference.

The healing rate increase is probably the most pointless because not only is it unnecessary, it is also competing with the "tankiness" increase...and losing.
In any content where these would remotely matter you are most likely just getting oneshot and even in casual content failing mechanics is very likely just going to kill you, making healing rate increase worthless since it can't help with "dead".
Whereas the defense increase at least has the potential to save you from death.

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Originally Posted by StriderShinryu

Secondary stats could definitely use some adjustments, and merging the speed stats seems the most obvious to the point where I wonder why they just haven't done it already. Makes me think there's some weird back end jank that's preventing them from doing it.

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Seems unlikely considering that the "haste" stat exists for exploratory zones and does exactly that, give you both.