On this day a year ago, Plunge was taken from us (and other Job Identity)

Still don't get the argument about busy opener regarding Plunge.

All in all, it was a thematically fun ability that felt satisfying to use. Same with shoulder tackle for monk.

But they removed them in favour of abilities that are both less visually interesting and lacks any form of impact.

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Originally Posted by TKMXIV

I was going to comment my own take, but it kind of became a mini rant of job design in general. So here is just my view on plunge nothing else.

Plunge wasn't a dash for me. It was an attack button that was fun. I liked mixing in plunge because it was fun. Plunge is fun while Shadowstride isn't.
To be honest if they really want to give every job a dash than make a universal dash skill in the Role Actions that just moves you forward.
I just miss doing a helm splitter with a giant sword instead of just sliding along the floor.

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Precisely. It was just fun to use. After all DRK is about as borderline insane as warrior, so leaping into the fray was right up their alley.

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank

Precisely. It was just fun to use. After all DRK is about as borderline insane as warrior, so leaping into the fray was right up their alley.

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It was. https://imgur.com/a/XlAzC7q Short clip of 40+ DRKs using Plunge all at once, taken a few weeks before DT came out. Who DOESN'T want to fly into battle sword-first? Way more fun than teleporting.

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Originally Posted by TKMXIV

I was going to comment my own take, but it kind of became a mini rant of job design in general. So here is just my view on plunge nothing else.

Plunge wasn't a dash for me. It was an attack button that was fun. I liked mixing in plunge because it was fun. Plunge is fun while Shadowstride isn't.
To be honest if they really want to give every job a dash than make a universal dash skill in the Role Actions that just moves you forward.
I just miss doing a helm splitter with a giant sword instead of just sliding along the floor.

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Straight up, all dashes should just be omni-directional at this point.

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Originally Posted by Atreus

Straight up, all dashes should just be omni-directional at this point.

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It's probably for the best that a tank can't accidentally (or "accidentally") drop a tankbuster into a crowd of players by fat-fingering a dash. As funny as that would be. Have to do it the old-fashioned way and use sprint.

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Originally Posted by Astronis

It's probably for the best that a tank can't accidentally (or "accidentally") drop a tankbuster into a crowd of players by fat-fingering a dash. As funny as that would be.

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Who would do that haha not me...

But on the real, doesn't Rescue hold the same kind of power? Or a DNC/RPR deciding to bring their mechanic to another player?

Plunge is still in pvp by the way and it even has Sole Survivor baked into it. What's not to like?

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Originally Posted by Valence

Plunge is still in pvp by the way and it even has Sole Survivor baked into it. What's not to like?

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Everything, unless that was sarcasm. Your movement tools being tied to a major function of the job is extremely limiting.

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Originally Posted by Atreus

Everything, unless that was sarcasm. Your movement tools being tied to a major function of the job is extremely limiting.

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Its not just a movement tool in PVP - it can be used to either initiate a fight, or as an execution skill (potentially even both), since if your target dies, the cooldown of Plunge gets refunded. The PVP version of Plunge is very fun and satisfying to use.

Blood weapon stacks are the real issue here. Taking 1200 mana from DRK effectively slighly lowers mitigation possibilities and upgraded Shadow Wall is not enough considering all the other tanks got a better 40%.

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Originally Posted by Atreus

Everything, unless that was sarcasm. Your movement tools being tied to a major function of the job is extremely limiting.

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Pvp is all about choices. You can't have your cake and eat it, and it's a core thing in many job toolkits.
PLD has a dash that stuns: the player uses its brain to decide whether or not they need to dash outside of kill/burst opportunities, or if there is a target that needs being stunned right now, and the dash provides the gap closing to apply damage just after and it's the same for Plunge.
DNC generates its procs by dashing as well: dash too much and you'll overwrite things and lose firepower.