lower item lvl entry into savage raid to tome gear. The reason new players dont..

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Originally Posted by Xurtan

So PF them? People do all the time. Though if you know you consistently make people uncomfortable, maybe uh, work on that. Mental health issues might explain, but it isn't an excuse or a free pass.

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Na Not going to change me to make others feel comfortable :) its fine with my two besties which is why I'd be fine if it was 4man content so I could get them on and maybe virtually kidnap someone similar to us for it lol

If crafting or buying a set of gear is too much effort, you aren't making it through a savage tier on content.

1. First few turns are typically previous tomestone and savage tier requirements, it is only really the third and 4th tier where it is direct on crafted, and typically a newer player is not going to blitz through an entire savage tier before crafted becomes affordable. Usually takes 1-2 days before competition kicks in and then gear becomes seriously cheap.

2. Being overwhelmed by terminology is very quickly amended by going to communities such as Balance, or looking at the name on YouTube. There are always going to be times where the ship has sailed. If a new player starts mid-tier, boom, conclude ship has sailed.

3. There are plenty of avenues for making Gil in this game, and if a game that throws too much Gil at you is too much effort then I think some re-evaluation is needed on player expectancy.

4. Players just need to learn the art of bartering. Plenty of crafters out there will charge pennies for the gear provided you come with Tomestones, which is typically the most expensive part of crafting the gear in the first place.

5. Crafters haven't ruined anything. Crafting was already nerfed into the ground with Stormblood. Prior to that the price you now fetch for a full set, would barely have gotten you half the set back then.

6. I don't see why crafted should be further decimated, just because there are some people who feel so legitimately entitled that they should be doing the second-hardest content in the game with barely any investment whatsoever. Raiders don't like it when things get nerfed or decimated into the ground, so why should everyone else be OK with it?

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Originally Posted by Daughterofdeath

My issue with "savage" stuff isn't in-game issues its more of how you basically have to use team speak and schedule days for "X" and honestly the social aspect of doing them is what kills them for me even though I know I could do them and handle it I choice not to because A. don't want to do team speak with people that I don't know at least on a personal level and B. scheduling things for a social aspect with my mental state isn't a good idea for me if they are 4man- or at most 5man I could handle it but the more people there are the more i cant handle the social bs I mean in a game like Wow id probably do it because people arent as.. well "pussys" with the report button and kick out just because they feel uncomfortable. I mean when im in a good day for me i make people uncomfortable when in my manic joy state and if im in my other states people are just as uncomfortable lol

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If you don't want socialization then just PF the tier. Did that on main and none of my progs required voice. Just, you know, you have to be able to be accountable for errors if you make them repeatedly so you'll still probably have to have some kind of bare minimum communication to acknowledge you understand what you're doing wrong.

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Originally Posted by Daughterofdeath

My issue with "savage" stuff isn't in-game issues its more of how you basically have to use team speak and schedule days for "X" and honestly the social aspect of doing them is what kills them for me even though I know I could do them and handle it I choice not to because A. don't want to do team speak with people that I don't know at least on a personal level and B. scheduling things for a social aspect with my mental state isn't a good idea for me if they are 4man- or at most 5man I could handle it but the more people there are the more i cant handle the social bs I mean in a game like Wow id probably do it because people arent as.. well "pussys" with the report button and kick out just because they feel uncomfortable. I mean when im in a good day for me i make people uncomfortable when in my manic joy state and if im in my other states people are just as uncomfortable lol

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Are you some ARR grandma cos no one used teamspeak after HW

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Originally Posted by Red-thunder

Are you some ARR grandma cos no one used teamspeak after HW

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i ment like discord talk thing regardless I would prefer they make "Savage" content to at most being 5man so its more realistic to play with "friends" like who the hell has like 8 friends closely I've always at max only have 3 I could get along with lol

I mean, I personally don’t like using stuff voice chat stuff to communicate.

But of all the reasons I don’t raid I can’t say that’s one of them, or at least it’s at the very bottom of the list. If I wanted to that badly I could just make my own ‘NO VOICE REQUIRED’ savage PF lol. I mean you can kinda impose whatever rules you want when you’re the party leader lol (Tyranny wins?) though whether people actually join is another matter…

But still, depending on servers etc I don’t imagine it’d be that hard to find 7 randos who also don’t want use voice programs.
Every rando is just a friend you haven’t meowdied yet?

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Originally Posted by Daughterofdeath

i ment like discord talk thing regardless I would prefer they make "Savage" content to at most being 5man so its more realistic to play with "friends" like who the hell has like 8 friends closely I've always at max only have 3 I could get along with lol

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So like Criterion Savage? If that's too tough there are also Deep Dungeons and Great Hunt Extreme.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

So like Criterion Savage? If that's too tough there are also Deep Dungeons and Great Hunt Extreme.

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tbh criterion is fine but that isnt really consinder a real savage and the rewards are horrible lol

Obvious joke flew over your head.

If getting crafted gear is too high of an entry for you, then its just simply a working filter if you say "chance to raid week one".