patch 7.2 or next expansion

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Originally Posted by Neft

I see a lot of people harping "7.2 is their last chance" "this content is their last chance"

but it's not just the content that needs to be fun and enjoyable, even if it's not inovated on fully, it still needs to be fun and enjoyable and honestly some of yall need to sit down and think of something that YOU think would be innovating as in a unique never before done idea in X genre or in general (yeah, it's not easy).

from an indie dev perspective everytime i have an idea that i havent seen in a game i've personally played i look it up and i find the idea in some game that flew under my radar and then i get to go and playtest that idea and usually i learn why its not used, because it makes a bad player experience.

so while the devs could literally add whatever they want, they have to question "is this a good idea" "will the players enjoy it"

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Repetitive content gets stale fast... it's always having to wait to get what is expected... usually more of the same...

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Originally Posted by Neft

I see a lot of people harping "7.2 is their last chance" "this content is their last chance"

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People said that in 6.2, and 5.2 and maybe even 4.2. This is a common "threat" between raid tiers. Until the players make good on their threats, I don't expect anything to change.

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Originally Posted by dspguy

People said that in 6.2, and 5.2 and maybe even 4.2. This is a common "threat" between raid tiers. Until the players make good on their threats, I don't expect anything to change.

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I agree i have seen people so far state their sub is canceled, they don't care, or this is the "last Chance", but I don't understand why some are still on the forum if they don't have a sub or "play" anymore.

A lot of bark and no bite.

People doompost here every single time we hit a content drought, without fail. The game's fine.

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Originally Posted by chip793

People doompost here every single time we hit a content drought, without fail. The game's fine.

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Why do defenders never have anything to add to the conversation than a flippant, "Game's fine!" or "I liked it!" ? That's not genuine debate or discourse, that's the appeal to emotion fallacy. Just because you "feel good" about it doesn't mean it's actually in a good place.

Since you are apparently a member of the Dawntrail Defense Force, can you explain why I am wrong for wanting MORE from this game? Because I feel like they should be doing more, and if we're basing things on feelings... my feelings are just as valid as yours, after all.

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Originally Posted by Auro_Seldaris

Why do defenders never have anything to add to the conversation than a flippant, "Game's fine!" or "I liked it!" ? That's not genuine debate or discourse, that's the appeal to emotion fallacy. Just because you "feel good" about it doesn't mean it's actually in a good place.

Since you are apparently a member of the Dawntrail Defense Force, can you explain why I am wrong for wanting MORE from this game? Because I feel like they should be doing more, and if we're basing things on feelings... my feelings are just as valid as yours, after all.

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It's obvious: they see criticism and discourse about the game as criticism and discourse around their personal identity. Therefore they feel personally attacked and react emotionally.

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Originally Posted by Red-thunder

It's obvious: they see criticism and discourse about the game as criticism and discourse around their personal identity. Therefore they feel personally attacked and react emotionally.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

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Are those people the "core audience" those large companies always boast about and seem to target?

Smart in a disturbing way, but smart indeed.

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Originally Posted by genuine_stranger

Are those people the "core audience" those large companies always boast about and seem to target?

Smart in a disturbing way, but smart indeed.

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It's honestly really sad because people like the presenters are typically those who graduate from top schools, having learned cutting-edge research in market psychology. They probably are pretty smart too. And nearly all of them go into the private sector to work for firms or go into academia to do more cutting-edge research on how to manipulate consumers.

Our society is structured in a way where the best and brightest, due to the incentives (high salaries) offered by firms, receive the best education and go out into the world to turn that education into a powerful engine for exploiting consumers. The best and brightest CS grads go into Google and Facebook to extract more rent from society. The best and brightest economists go into big 4 consulting firms to teach them how mass layoffs are actually good for your firm's bottom line. And well, the consumers themselves are too stupid to realize that the firm is never your friend lmao. We see this every day on these forums.

The problem I'm seeing with the community is asking for something then being upset when they're given what they ask for. How many of you remember endwalker patch content? How many of you asked for an expansion zone? Now that there's an expansion zone coming, how many of you are complaining it's recycled content? Remember criterion? It was new content, maybe not implemented in the best way, but it got so much hate on release. Remember island sanctuary? Some liked it but overall there were complaints until it was deemed to abandon it. Chaotic is new and fresh, but most of the community refuses to engage with it just because it's deemed hard content. How many of you complained content was too easy, then complained dawntrail content is too hard. How many of you played back in stormblood and claimed it was the worst expansion ever due to the story, even though it was the most innovative expansion ever released. What are the devs suppose to do for you? It seems no matter what they do or try you will complain about it.

This new expansion zone is good for the health of the game, I think it should have been released at launch and maybe the devs can learn from that, but I don't see how you can get your way, then proceed to complain about getting what you asked for. The hate train you're on is getting annoying and it feels like the only reason you complain is to fit in with the community. I've got my own gripes with the game myself and feel there are things that could be done better and try to give constructive criticism when it comes to feedback, but I can also point out when the devs are doing things right, and patch 7.2 is doing things right.