The death of savage raiding and SE's lack of action

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Well it’s not really like there is much evidence that the healer population is particularly healthy. When people come in and complain about problems with savage raiding they aren’t complaining about the lack of pictomancers

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

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Well it’s not really like there is much evidence that the healer population is particularly healthy

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Now do a count of how many are currently raiding!

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Originally Posted by Bellybell

Healer huh?

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Don't make me tap the sign: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...54#post6597854

Get that bias out of here. You cropped 5 parties out of a comparatively tiny data center then asserted your point. Cherry picking ain't gonna cut it. I have never seen a week where healer wasn't the most desperately needed class in savage pf's.

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Originally Posted by All_Nonsense

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Cherry picking is taking the problem from certain DC to present as a whole.

I'm not denying YOUR zone has a problem but definitely not the whole game problem.

I bet there are just as many healers as there are tanks clearing raids, and just as many support roles as DPS. ;)

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Originally Posted by Sensui

I bet there are just as many healers as there are tanks clearing raids, and just as many support roles as DPS. ;)

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Wow today we learned how FFlogs works everyone

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Originally Posted by Bellybell

Cherry picking is taking the problem from certain DC to present as a whole.

I'm not denying YOUR zone has a problem but definitely not the whole game problem.

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Those three photos are aether, light and mana respectively

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Wow today we learned how FFlogs works everyone

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You need FFlogs to tell you this? Hoo boy.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

If the other person can make sweeping generalisations from one screenshot of their DC so can i

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Fair enough....

I'm curious though, what are your thoughts on the screenshot you shared? I thought healers/tanks in any game are usually what's in demand, more so healers? Isn't this natural? It just shows there's plenty more dps/tanks than healers no?

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Originally Posted by Rueby

Fair enough....

I'm curious though, what are your thoughts on the screenshot you shared? I thought healers/tanks in any game are usually what's in demand, more so healers? Isn't this natural? It just shows there's plenty more dps/tanks than healers no?

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There is usually more DPS than supports in an MMO that’s entirely normal. However usually this is compensated by there being more DPS in a full raid than supports while 14 maintains parity. There is more DPS than tanks and healers put together

There is usually also a roughly equal amount of tanks to healers but 14 suffers from a large deficit in healers compared to tanks in the high end. When the system functionally enforces a comp having a massive deficit of one role is not a desirable outcome. There should be roughly the same number of healers as tanks but in the current high end design there isn’t

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

There is usually more DPS than supports in an MMO that’s entirely normal. However usually this is compensated by there being more DPS in a full raid than supports while 14 maintains parity. There is more DPS than tanks and healers put together

There is usually also a roughly equal amount of tanks to healers but 14 suffers from a large deficit in healers compared to tanks in the high end. When the system functionally enforces a comp having a massive deficit of one role is not a desirable outcome. There should be roughly the same number of healers as tanks but in the current high end design there isn’t

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This is really interesting. I only dabbed in extremes and dipped toes in savages (which I found tiring), the healer role felt like it was the last to fill? I haven't made it to the high end in DT yet so I can't judge how long these parties need to fill. I felt it in ShB and EW though, healer was always the last role to fill and there'd be multiple PFs in need of healers.

I wonder if it says something about the Tier as a whole? Fights being not fun/scuffed to heal?