ARR was better

Yeah, my job (Dragoon) had an identity in ARR alright, and it was awful.

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Originally Posted by Galvuu

Amdapor Keep. Demon Wall used to actually enrage quite often. Dps check was tight, and some trash pulls were hard too.
(Threads like these make me feel old...)

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It wasn't really tight. Again, people were just bad. No one was doing the abcs. Heck, I had to bail on a wp run once because I had 2 bards who refused to use their dots, so they couldn't do enough damage on the 2nd boss.

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Originally Posted by Andevom

Yeah, my job (Dragoon) had an identity in ARR alright, and it was awful.

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What, you didn't like auto-dying to raidwides when blood for blood was up? And sometimes even when it wasn't?

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

- Glamour system was more robust - How was it more robust? What are you even talking about here?

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probably how every crafter needed to make their own glamour prisms and you needed 12 different types of prism just to glamour your gear.




Let's not forget Accuracy Caps, because even when healer's wanted to deal damage, they'd still only hit half the time because they needed to meld acc just to be even close to the tier cap.

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Originally Posted by Andevom

Yeah, my job (Dragoon) had an identity in ARR alright, and it was awful.

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You'll take your floornament identity and you'll like it.

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Originally Posted by Kayokane

probably how every crafter needed to make their own glamour prisms and you needed 12 different types of prism just to glamour your gear.

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Not sure how that makes it robust. (not aimed at you)



That just makes it more frustrating. There were cheers of joy when they got pared down to one prism per crafter, and even more when it just became one prism.

I think there's likely things about it that were better but the devs simply over corrected in their attempt to make the game accessible to all players, perhaps even cats and dogs, etc.

XIV in general does feel incredibly risk averse. Even the risks (Island Sanctuary) are safer and more boring than the one before it. Every simplification (jobs, relics) more uninspired and routine than the last.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

It wasn't really tight. Again, people were just bad. No one was doing the abcs. Heck, I had to bail on a wp run once because I had 2 bards who refused to use their dots, so they couldn't do enough damage on the 2nd boss.

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I mean, you need to take it in the context of its time- people were worse, latency was worse and jobs were clunkier. Demon Wall being able to one-shot someone with the untelegraphed knockback is still more punishing than 90% of dungeon mechanics.
Yes, people were all worse back then, but an enrage and a one-shot untelegraphed mechanic in a dungeon are a rarity even to this day.

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

I think there's likely things about it that were better but the devs simply over corrected in their attempt to make the game accessible to all players, perhaps even cats and dogs, etc.

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Considering the game got harder in heavensward, and the players reaction to gordias and midas, no, it wasn't an over correction from arr, but from hw.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Not sure how that makes it robust. (not aimed at you)



That just makes it more frustrating. There were cheers of joy when they got pared down to one prism per crafter, and even more when it just became one prism.

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This precise reaction here is why they changed it, that and inventory space, imagine having to carry stacks of prisms from each crafter type just to be sure you could glam that manderville coatee on a moments notice.