SE really has no clue what to do with Scholar do they.

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Originally Posted by velswen

If you're calling Fey Blessing and Summon Seraph and the entire fairy gauge useless, you don't know what you're talking about. Please stop commenting on posts for a class you do not know how to play.

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Nah I'll keep talking about my former favourite Job and its current flaws in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by velswen

Eloah I'm gonna be real with you I don't think you actually know how to play Scholar in difficult content and I think you should stop posting on this topic. Work on improving your play and understanding of the class before you offer suggestions on job changes.

"Dissipation 'only' gives Aetherflow and a 20% boost on spells" you revealed how inexperienced you are right here. 3 stacks of Aetherflow is INSANE. 20% boost on spells DOES encourage you to shield more, and yet you're arguing that Scholar should just have this skill removed and be weaker...because you want it to be? The only thing that needs changed is your attitude.

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That is incredibly rude to generalize my knowledge of the job, just because I dislike one specific skill. A skill that I said I know how to use, by the way. Should I call into question your abilities if you dislike something.

Also, I am just stating my opinion on the matter, and that I am upset that the skill hasn't been touched. I haven't attacked anyone over their liking of the skill. But, just because I dislike it, I'm a pariah.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I think you need to reread the tooltip as serpahism neither forces a crit nor does it increase the shielding any more than any other 20% GCD amplifier (ie dissipation does) all it does is make spells instacast which isn’t exactly interesting

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I never said it forces a crit, I said Catalyze is guaranteed. The shielding is on par because the 20% increase is now baked into the spell potency. Even if Dissipation made the spells instant cast that would be something.

Also why is my reasoning "poor"? What makes your reasoning better? And who said I am hinging my entire problem on the one skill. I don't need to go into anything else since that is the primary focus of this discussion, that skill.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

I never said it forces a crit, I said Catalyze is guaranteed. The shielding is on par because the 20% increase is now baked into the spell potency. Even if Dissipation made the spells instant cast that would be something.

Also why is my reasoning "poor"? What makes your reasoning better? And who said I am hinging my entire problem on the one skill. I don't need to go into anything else since that is the primary focus of this discussion, that skill.

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Catalyse is the shield you get for critting your adlo, you don’t get catalyse from seraphism, it simply changes your skills to new ones (adlo being manifestation) which will give you galvanise upon hitting (like current adlo does)

Your reasoning is poor to me because I disagree with it and that’s why I’m discussing it with you, you may think my reasoning is poor that’s what’s a discussion is, I’m trying to convince you your reasoning is poor. And I ask why you hinge your problems on dissipation because your title and initial post indicate that you have problems with SCH as a collective but then you laser focus on dissipation, why was your title not “why didn’t they delete dissipation”

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Catalyse is the shield you get for critting your adlo, you don’t get catalyse from seraphism

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Putting this aside as someone who I believe has mained SCH through this expansion how do you feel about Seraphism as an ability itself. (ignoring the ugly angel stuff as well.)

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

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Manifestation gives both Galvanize and Catalyze, that's what I am saying.

And my focus on Dissipation is because currently it's the one flaw in the job I can't overlook. Especially since it's been in the game for about 10 years. I have issues with the lack of pet interaction, forms of attack, shielding, near pointless single use skills, and overall clunkiness. But at the moment those don't vex me as much as Dissipation.

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

Putting this aside as someone who I believe has mained SCH through this expansion how do you feel about Seraphism as an ability itself. (ignoring the ugly angel stuff as well.)

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What is there really to say. It’s a glorified 20% GCD amplifier hidden as actually changing the skills even though they are just 20% stronger. Making them instacast encroaches on SGE’s strengths so i dont think it’s a good thing. Shielding on the move is SGE’s strength and it should stay like that. As for the limitless ET; I have no words for how dumb that decision is. Why do we even have regen healers when a shield healer can put out a pure heal stronger than cure 3, it’s just pointless. The extra regen is just the extra “frosage” on the top of how badly this skill is designed

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Originally Posted by Eloah

Manifestation gives both Galvanize and Catalyze, that's what I am saying.

And my focus on Dissipation is because currently it's the one flaw in the job I can't overlook. Especially since it's been in the game for about 10 years. I have issues with the lack of pet interaction, forms of attack, shielding, near pointless single use skills, and overall clunkiness. But at the moment those don't vex me as much as Dissipation.

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So your point was you can crit manifestation, was that ever in doubt catalyse doesn’t even play into spreadlo anyway

So what are your reasons for why you cannot overlook it. It can functionally be ignored if you don’t want to use it and for people who use it as a prog skill it’s easily the strongest prog skill of any of the 4 healers. I just don’t see why this single skill is so problematic

Again, Dissipation would not get as much hate as it does now if they actually made it a burst phase for dps on scholar...rather than just a refund aether for ED...
The solution isn't to remove it, but rework it to be more meaningful imo. Play into the risk with a better reward, that's what all the healers are missing atm....:I

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

So your point was you can crit manifestation, was that ever in doubt

So what are your reasons for why you cannot overlook it. It can functionally be ignored if you don’t want to use it and for people who use it as a prog skill it’s easily the strongest prog skill of any of the 4 healers. I just don’t see why this single skill is so problematic

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No, the tool tip for Manifestation says it gives both Galvanize and Catalyze, at base. It doesn't matter if the spell crits or not, you always get both shields. That's my point.

And as for why I can't overlook it. The time frame is a factor, but I dislike how it sidelines the faerie. I like pet jobs, so I want more interaction, not less. I have a similar grip currently with SMN, and how Carby just stands there now. Some things are just hard to move past. Look at the people who want Kaiten back, even though the benefits were baked into the job in other ways.

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Originally Posted by Katish

Again, Dissipation would not get as much hate as it does now if they actually made it a burst phase for dps on scholar...rather than just a refund aether for ED...
The solution isn't to remove it, but rework it to be more meaningful imo. Play into the risk with a better reward, that's what all the healers are missing atm....:I

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That's all I'm asking for. Something to make it feel better.