Criterion savage rewards still suck

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Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir

Having cleared both current savages, they've both been more memorable as a tank to me than any ultimate ever has been (except maybe UCOB Add phase way back in 2017 when it was first released), since the 'all in one go' combined with trash packs hitting like insane freight trains requiring high mitigation utilization, actually challenging tanks on moving adds & positioning them around (Both sets of Rokkon adds, managing and carefully pulling adds in 2nd Sil'dih pack) means you're actually challenged as a tank and not as a blue dps. My healer also says the healing has also been more involved and memorable in them than any ultimate ever has challenged him due to how spiky, frequent and in some cases, pseudo-random it can be based on kill times of each pack/boss. They may be 1:1 mechanic copies of each other, but actually doing them is an actual intense, fun experience, even funner than the normal Criterion.

My heart was beating faster during the last 30% ish of the 3rd boss of Rokkon savage than it ever did during DSR P7 or TOP P6.

But that's just my own opinion.

Glamour is indeed the true endgame of FF14 - and if the glamour rewards are good enough, people will go through anything to get it, no matter how much they may suffer or how bad they perceive it to be. *Cough* Pretty much every grindy as ever living heck relic step this game has ever seen *cough*. There's technically even content that's far more inaccessible than Savages are and has even less rewards on a theoretical level (DRS, effectively only the Cerberus as the main "reward" point that is one and done) that still sees plenty of active play. Like I said, only time will tell - and I think the vanity rewards for Savage will give it a nice boost in participation.

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Right? All I see in this thread is dooming from people who will never even lay one finger on this content. Is this reward perfectly timed? No, but imagine getting this week 4 after a new savage tier as a secondary method of obtaining a bis weapon for an alt job using content that isn't the same raids over and over. It's a step in the right direction and it's a cosmetic for people to show off which is really what the Variant/Savage have been lacking. Also, the Criterions are really fun? I admit I am not really the biggest fan of how they handled the savage iterations just being increased damage output and without rez, but I did Another Sildihn and some of Another Rokkon and they were both a blast. The problem is not that this content is bad, it's that the game is currently lacking more mid-level difficulty gameplay content for casual endgame players. As hard content the Criterions are very enjoyable even if the rewards have been severely lacking until now. I actually do believe this will boost participation a bit which should be the end goal.

Not a fan at all of it being upgraded tome weapon glams, since it now makes the pretty nice tome weapons of 6.4 I liked look like they're the inferior product.
Would have much preferred something entirely new than a situation where they design something for raiders and then strip it down and toss it to casual players. The particle effects should have been on the base tome weapons or it should have been a different glam entirely in my opinion.

I don't really want to interact with savage or the savage playerbase. Having the tome weapons I liked be made inferior because it turns out they had particle effects for them that were just stripped out to be added back, but only for hardcore raiders does not feel good.
Give them some kind of glam, but don't make a tiered system where hardcore players get an objectively better version of what casuals are able to earn.

Pretty sure Devs mentioned this wouldnt be the extent of changes to variant/criterion rewards and further changes would with the 7.x ones. That being said, they go with this solution vs simply adding tome upgrade mats certainly boggles the mind. Adding a token, weapon glow, and ilv increase couldnt possibly be an easier task to implement vs a weekly drop to norm and savage criterion, right?

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Originally Posted by Hanayumi

Pretty sure Devs mentioned this wouldnt be the extent of changes to variant/criterion rewards and further changes would with the 7.x ones. That being said, they go with this solution vs simply adding tome upgrade mats certainly boggles the mind. Adding a token, weapon glow, and ilv increase couldnt possibly be an easier task to implement vs a weekly drop to norm and savage criterion, right?

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Tome upgrade mats would be completely worthless for anybody running this content at this stage. We've had 5 months of savage drops and a whole month of alliance raid tokens for those items. This reward is a slight ilevel boost, an alternative means of obtaining essentially a bis weapon (potentially for an alt job) early in a raid tier and most importantly a lovely cosmetic to show off in your usual afk locations. I was hoping for unique weapon glamours, but this is a close second and as someone who will probably actually do this at some point in the next year it's very much a step in the right direction.

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Originally Posted by Caro178

Right? All I see in this thread is dooming from people who will never even lay one finger on this content. Is this reward perfectly timed? No, but imagine getting this week 4 after a new savage tier as a secondary method of obtaining a bis weapon for an alt job using content that isn't the same raids over and over. It's a step in the right direction and it's a cosmetic for people to show off which is really what the Variant/Savage have been lacking. Also, the Criterions are really fun? I admit I am not really the biggest fan of how they handled the savage iterations just being increased damage output and without rez, but I did Another Sildihn and some of Another Rokkon and they were both a blast. The problem is not that this content is bad, it's that the game is currently lacking more mid-level difficulty gameplay content for casual endgame players. As hard content the Criterions are very enjoyable even if the rewards have been severely lacking until now. I actually do believe this will boost participation a bit which should be the end goal.

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you need BIS to even clear savage and this gear is made completly irrelivant by completing savage or getting the relic OR FARMING ZEROMUS! all of which was designed to make gearing alt jobs easier this is a joke by the devs, it cannot be serious!? an umbrella AN UMBRELLA FOR BLU MAGE HAHAHHAA no.

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Originally Posted by VentVanitas

really?? it's just tome weapon augments??? at that point you could just wait until 6.55, why even bother?

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Gotta have that +2 Vitality :^)

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

you need BIS to even clear savage and this gear is made completly irrelivant by completing savage or getting the relic OR FARMING ZEROMUS! all of which was designed to make gearing alt jobs easier this is a joke by the devs, it cannot be serious!? an umbrella AN UMBRELLA FOR BLU MAGE HAHAHHAA no.

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Some people play more than one job. There has been a mass of requests for making acquiring bis gear for alt jobs (as in: not your prog savage or ultimate main) more accessible. That was the entire purpose of the changes to loot drops in Anabaseios and that's exactly what this will help with in future criterions, particularly the ones that come out 4-ish weeks after a savage tier (like Mount Rokkon did after 6.4).

The main reason they went with this is because they are maintaining an illusion that they do not want to break.

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Originally Posted by Caro178

Some people play more than one job. There has been a mass of requests for making acquiring bis gear for alt jobs (as in: not your prog savage or ultimate main) more accessible. That was the entire purpose of the changes to loot drops in Anabaseios and that's exactly what this will help with in future criterions, particularly the ones that come out 4-ish weeks after a savage tier (like Mount Rokkon did after 6.4).

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people requested gear upgrades all across the board. this aint it chief

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

people requested gear upgrades all across the board. this aint it chief

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And they were wrong. Tome augments from Criterion savage 5 months after a raid tier and 1 month after the alliance raid already made them accessible for casual players would be the real slap in the face. At least this is a cosmetic that I am certain some people will enjoy enough to farm out, and it's unique to this content. Again, I am NOT saying this is the perfect solution, but people pretending they had it all figured out by exclaiming tome augments should be slapped onto the extremely difficulty savage iteration had the complete wrong idea.

I wanted Variant to be used as relic grind content, I would have wanted the savage iterations to be something more than what we have. I have criticisms of my own, but saying friggan twine and shines should have replaced this cosmetic is bonkers.