FFXIV: The TTRPG

I would LOVE to try this! I have no hope in hell of actually playing it, since any of my friends who have time to play a tabletop RPG are already playing D&D and can't fit in another game/system, but I can dream! Still, I might look into getting the full rulebook when it comes out, just to read through for curiosity/fun.

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Originally Posted by Cidel

From the teaser site's info, you only have WAR (or was it PLD?), DRG BLM and WHM to pick from.

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I think that's just what they provide in the basic starter box. It's a short adventure with a few premade character sheets so beginners can jump in and try it out, sort of like a demo. D&D has similar starter boxes like this. There will also be a separate full rulebook which will provide the complete character/job options.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

He didn't state his distaste for a new product. He didn't comment on the product at all.

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I believe that, at the very least, the comment of "not at all" in response to the question of "how hyped are you for this product?" qualifies as a comment on the product (make up your mind: do you want precision, or do you want to be vague?). The fact that he decided to explain his stance further is extra icing on that cake, although I guess you're allowed to not accept that as part of his comment on the product.

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It's a XIV related product but more than likely no one on the development staff is involved with making it and still he links it back to issues he has with the MMO.

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He linked it back to FFXIV, the game, because it is a product about the game. FFXIV TTRP being related to FFXIV is not the mysterious and complicated leap of logic you're making it out to be.

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And we have yet another thread where he can't stop himself from bringing up Venat. This is how many now?

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I don't exactly keep track of his posts, but I don't honestly remember seeing any threads where his sole purpose is to spread propaganda against or about Venat, or where he's just burning to talk about Venat. That might be because I don't participate in lore discussions, or it may be because he doesn't actually do that.
For your sake, since you may not know how to do it yourself, and also because I haven't done something like this before, and also because you've piqued my interest, I've gone through and looked at his past posts (just the last 20, to see if, other than this post, he really does just constantly gab about Venat). It may surprise you that, other than in this thread, he...
*drumroll*
...has not mentioned Venat even once in those first 20 posts.
Meaning, he's not quite as Venat crazy as that one player was Ancients-crazy (remember that "The Ancients are my people, and YoshiP committed unfair genocide upon them" thread? Good times), and not so prone to talk about Venat as you're making him out to be. In fact, studies suggest that a lack of something in ones behavior means that this something is not actually happening, and some experts would suggest that the perception of such suggests a bias either for or against the topic, behavior, or the person observed.
To that end, I think you're just being extra-crispy sensitive about him because you were recently trying to argue with him.

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

I think that's just what they provide in the basic starter box. It's a short adventure with a few premade character sheets so beginners can jump in and try it out, sort of like a demo. D&D has similar starter boxes like this. There will also be a separate full rulebook which will provide the complete character/job options.

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On one hand, it would be very Squeen if they just decided to avoid developing this any further, and thus we get a single list of jobs, probably at least the ARR Job list, and never see anything more again.
Then again, on the other hand, it wouldn't be too surprising if they did start with just the four jobs and decide to offer supplements that offer additional jobs on a book by book basis as "FFXIV TTRPG expansions." You know, like "here's BARD, and an adventure that features them!"

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

I swear, I feel like almost every response you make is just so try cynically try hard. I say this because I knew exactly what your response was gonna be by being the contrarian as usual and linking back the discussion to the game itself.

I'm sorry, I know this is off topic, but I just kinda find it amusing. I dont play DnD anyway so I'm not excited myself but even then I wouldnt have cared to make such a response.

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Thankfully I do not go out of my way to seek permission from specific posters when it comes to leaving feedback relating to the game. I'm a roleplayer myself, so the product would have been of interest to me if the game itself had done more to cater to and appease roleplayers.

It's something I've pushed for many times in the past as you can see from my past posts relating to the subject that is roleplay.

That aside, it's worth noting that the game attracts players from many different backgrounds, cultures, countries, personality types and belief systems. As such, you're never going to get along with absolutely everyone and neither will every individual be your preferred cup of tea. I certainly don't expect anything more than a polite agreement or disagreement, though I daresay there's little need to launch personal attacks over someone's posting style. Especially if they're adhering to the site's rules.

I don't think there's anything particularly 'try hard' about my posts, either - not that it hugely matters but I'm Scottish and was taught to write in this manner. I don't feel obliged to change that for the sake of specific individuals on a video game forum.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

If I'm reading it correctly, the Starter Set includes those four (it's WAR for the tank) as premade character sheets. Presumably the full standard rule book will include more classes to choose from. I'd expect to at least see all of the ARR jobs.

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i think there is also another book coming for it as well.

I just think it's hilarious how a pretty great DnD style game released this year that gives people a lot of freedom and a diverse cast only for FFXIV to still want to try and drag the playerbase through another round of the Scions moralizing their way through another civilization, this time to save the people of the New World from themselves/the two headed lizard guy.

I can't look at this thing and other pieces of merch and not wonder why resources were wasted on this instead of improving the game especially in the state it's in.

They should make a virtual tabletop INSIDE OF FFXIV that can use in-game models for characters and monsters, environments, objects, and even orchestrion rolls for background music.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

I just think it's hilarious how a pretty great DnD style game released this year that gives people a lot of freedom and a diverse cast only for FFXIV to still want to try and drag the playerbase through another round of the Scions moralizing their way through another civilization, this time to save the people of the New World from themselves/the two headed lizard guy.

I can't look at this thing and other pieces of merch and not wonder why resources were wasted on this instead of improving the game especially in the state it's in.

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Merch provides more money for the company, but resources to develop the merch is not taken away from CBU3. The merchandising dept has nothing to do with CBU3 other than a bit of consulting to make sure the product meets standards of the devs. So you'd rather there be no merch at all?

i wouldn't have any one to play it with and even so , and square wouldn't sell physical products to me anyway

At least for me, the appeal of TTRPG's have always been all of the ways to solve problems that circumvent combat. Because video games have combat down to a science; they do that really well! So if I want combat, my best bet is to probably just play a video game.

But where video games have trouble is more organic experiences where problems aren't solved by reducing something's life points to zero. When it comes to open-ended problem-solving, video games suffer because the designers can understandably only implement a handful of possible solutions. I'm loving playing Baldur's Gate 3, but even with all of the love that went into that game, it's commonplace for me to think of solutions or ways to solve a problem that the devs just didn't predict or didn't have the bandwidth to support. That's where TTRPG's shine, because your GM can react to anything you can dream of doing on the fly in ways that games will simply never be able to.

So personally, when I hear that Final Fantasy is going to make a TTRPG, I'm not excited. Because Final Fantasy games don't even try to be open-ended in the way that a game like Skyrim is. Rather, they tend to be linear, narrative experiences that focus on a linear story and specific battle encounters that you'll complete. So from a systems perspective, what Final Fantasy brings to the table for a TTRPG is combat. And that's...fine. But combat isn't why I play a TTRPG.

The Final Fantasy brand just doesn't have any history with the types of game mechanics that are the reason I play TTRPG's. So if I wanted to play a FF TTRPG, my assumption would be that I'd have better luck just using an established TTRPG game system and coating it with an FF skin.

I've already put my pre-order in for this! I'm pretty excited about it, and so are a couple others in my DnD group. I'm really looking forward to seeing how Eorzea and its lore can be adapted into a TTRPG.