I'm One Of The Filthiests Of Casuals And Even I Can See How Dumbdown FF14 Has Become!

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Originally Posted by TheRealMadruck

It's no wonder why over 60% of the players who are casters on my server are nothing more than Summoners when I do a player search per each job...its a brain dead dps. Why play a Job that actually has some dynamic parts to it that takes a measure of competency to play it but instead play a job that take the least amount of skill!

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Sounds to me like we need to dumb down BLM and RDM!

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

There we go, some actual suggestions. I personally would've gone with an approach for a spell rotation that can build to either a black or white magic finishers for that summon; referencing back to FF3 where each summon had a black/white spell effect before actual Summoner job later on summoned the beasts for major elemental damage.

But that still doesnt deter the fact that at the very least "current" Summmoner plays more into that summoned monster fantasy than old Summoner. I'm sorry but you're very wrong on this take.

Its totally fine if you hate current Summoner and prefer old Summoner's playstyle better. Thats why I wanted for that playstyle to return but be a different job. But trying to argue that it was Summoner's fantasy to began with is just no.

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I’m ambivalent about current SMN

but I stand by my point, other than some visual aesthetics (that people turn off and change to pet size small) nothing about new SMN matches the design of old summoners because you have zero control over the summon and they do nothing unique, if you replaced “summon ifrit” with “cast hellfire” nothing about the job changes

This isn’t remotely SMN like, not like the old SMN was either but at least the lore of old SMN was actually explained in the context of 14’s world, which is more I can say about current SMN where the rotation actively ignored the lore of the quests that teach you the skills

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I’m ambivalent about current SMN

but I stand by my point, other than some visual aesthetics (that people turn off and change to pet size small) nothing about new SMN matches the design of old summoners because you have zero control over the summon and they do nothing unique, if you replaced “summon ifrit” with “cast hellfire” nothing about the job changes

This isn’t remotely SMN like, not like the old SMN was either but at least the lore of old SMN was actually explained in the context of 14’s world, which is more I can say about current SMN where the rotation actively ignored the lore of the quests that teach you the skills

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Like I said, older FF games, summons were just beefier spammable AoE elemental nukes; which at the very least current Summoner feels like. I want it to be improved sure and be more interesting but I'll be that hard ass if I see people trying to pretend that old Summoner kept that "core spirit" because it never did. Its why the made the change because it had an identity crisis and people back then complained.

Pick one:

Timegated Gearing or Hard Content

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

In what previous FF game did you “summon” something only for it to appear for 3 seconds do an AOE

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Essentially FF7, FF8, FF9, probably other FF games as well. They appear, do their special attack and then vanish.

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then colour your ruin 3 casts

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Obviously it's an MMORPG. We have GCDs and we can't just wait and do nothing. So the logical option was to have you be imbued with their attacks as well and cast some of them.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

They could have actually made you somewhat control each summon, the summons could have lasted for 20 seconds

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I see it as you controlling them to a degree. You can cast a lot of the attacks before it diappears as if the attack is coming from them. This is also where egi-glamours come in. One of them can be there for an extended period of time if you glamour carbuncle. The egi glamour system could be better though.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Only reason it appears for 3 seconds is because youre forgetting this is a multiplayer MMO

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This exactly. When I used to imagine Summoner actually being a Summoner years ago, I imagined that in order to replicate 7, 8 and 9 it would have to happen very quickly and the animation would have to not get in the way for too long.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

FF3-FF9 my dude. Only reason it appears for 3 seconds is because youre forgetting this is a multiplayer MMO, where we cant have large animation delays in attacks.

And again, may I ask where in traditional classic fashion did summoners just summon beasts for dots? At least the attacks feel meaty enough, its just the current rotation being brain dead simple.

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FFXI they manage to do what FFXIV can't do with summons. IF before this iteration of summoner, your summons had attacks depending on the situation. Your dots were at most 2 bio and miasma and fester to dmg and spread in wall to walls. Summoner before this was actually was very good, sadly people do not want to learn to play and thats fine. but that was way more to summoner than you think you know.

People complained for years about ;

—Cleric Stance = I'm a healer I shouldn't DPS please this give me anxiety -> fixed now healers only have 1 skill.
— Tank stances/ dark arts etc -> I'm a Tank I shouldn't do complex combos or have dots wth anxiety please fix.
—Summoner/Astro = I'm unlucky and too many bottoms please SE FIX now I'm struggling so hard with anxiety now. -> fixed now you have less skills and more traits.
—Relic weapons = omg too grindy that's not fair SE seeing a few people with their glowing weapons is giving me anxiety please fix and be fair. -> Now you have your RGB weapon with no effort.

People got what they asked

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Originally Posted by TheRealMadruck

Sincerely, we have all seen the situation currently going on in FF14 regarding Endwalker relics as there are already a plethora of vids and posts about it...

But holy crap...how could they have butchered Summoner so bad to be the joke of a job that it is?!?!

I hadn't touched Summoner all expansion until recently to work on my caster gear and GD...

Like, your single target rotation consists of 4 phases: You spam only 3 buttons during each phase and then press one button to go into another phase and rinse repeat. That's it!

It's no wonder why over 60% of the players who are casters on my server are nothing more than Summoners when I do a player search per each job...its a brain dead dps. Why play a Job that actually has some dynamic parts to it that takes a measure of competency to play it but instead play a job that take the least amount of skill!

I sincerely hope SE does something to Summoner and a few other jobs that I also consider somewhat braindead to make it at least comparable to other DPS in its category so it takes some metric of effort to play!

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Keep making lots of posts just like this. The children on these forums will love you. A new hero. I am sure everything you post will change the game. You will also get tons of like currency? I don't know what this thumb up actually designates or do I care. I know the kids here like it though. I guess it is some strange validation method.

i like SMN because im a dunce and its easy to play.

but not on pvp i have to play WHM

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

Sounds to me like we need to dumb down BLM and RDM!

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Don't even joke about touching black mage. They might as well just remove Flare if they keep nerfing it.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

Keep making lots of posts just like this. The children on these forums will love you. A new hero. I am sure everything you post will change the game. You will also get tons of like currency? I don't know what this thumb up actually designates or do I care. I know the kids here like it though. I guess it is some strange validation method.

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Adults can count to 4 at the very least. Summoners can count to 3. Choose your side of the fence carefully.