How is this NOT harrasment/griefing?

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Originally Posted by Kensaki

So he killing all the mobs. But the boss mobs and just sitting around waiting for us to kill them ruining 3 people's experience and fun to get himself an achievement is all ok? Are you even listening to yourselves?

And move camp? So we're supposed to run all over the world and hope the theres not a 50 there ruining the event?

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Actually, I agree with you.

Yeah this person has a right to this event but that doesn't make his actions morally correct. The lvl 50 should have to move camp or should talk to the other people doing the event.

Tbh, I've noticed that people in this game aren't very friendly. A few times I've asked questions and people have outright ignored me. They got very offended when I pointed out that there is no reason for them to ignore my questions.

And joining a group? Forget it. All I ever get is go level jobs x, y, and z to get specific abilities before you could join a group. So I have to level three jobs to lvl 50 before I could do, non-endgame group work? Really?

The way this game is right now, it's not very friendly to new players period. It's actually less friendly than FFXI.

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Originally Posted by Anapingofness

The way this game is right now, it's not very friendly to new players period. It's actually less friendly than FFXI.

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This, For as much flack as the XIV community loves to give XI and people who play/played XI..XIV is a hell of a lot less welcoming and inviting for new people to play than XI ever was. At least in XI they had low level content that was separate from content an end-game player, who typically only care for themselves, would want to partake in.

This is why as excited as I am for 2.0, I know it's goin to fall flat and why XI's new expansion announcement will actually be the reason XI will succeed in 2013, while 2.0 will fall flat. Even in later years SE added a newbie tutorial to XI that's very thorough in what's it out to do.

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So I have to level three jobs to lvl 50 before I could do, non-endgame group work? Really?

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Biggest problem with the XIV community. For example, back in 2010/early 2011, Ifrit fight for example was "STACK LANCERS!", then out of the blue, they turned it to "STACK THM/BLMS!" which slowly started to seep into every other bit of content imaginable, like Caravans people did it with varied setups, now you only see THM/BLMs on it because god forbid you feed a chocobo a gyshal green..THE HORROR RECOVERING THEIR HP!

The reason 2.0 will fail is not because of mechanics, but the community because no matter how much work SE does for this game, the community trivializes everything and makes it unwelcoming for new players or players who just simply want to be the job they want or specialize with it. Yes you can level and use any class/job you want but some people may only want to be a MNK their entire career for example.

Seriously? LOL Okay.

for this type of reasons behest and caravan escort should be instanced, those type of things doesnt add nothing epic but helps a lot for leveling and farming seals, if you go and try to do a caravan escort you cant because the turn is full.

Content should be ready to be done by everyone.

No comment on whether it's griefing or not. But I like how everyone seemed to miss that the 50 in question did not kill the mobs at the end, and that they were too high for these people to kill so they could not finish.

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Originally Posted by elreed

for this type of reasons behest and caravan escort should be instanced, those type of things doesnt add nothing epic but helps a lot for leveling and farming seals, if you go and try to do a caravan escort you cant because the turn is full.

Content should be ready to be done by everyone.

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Nah, it can remain open world. If "throwing it in an instance" is the solution to all community problems...we may as well not call XIV an MMO or even have it setup as such. All SE has to do is turn it into a besieged type system (which allows for a lot more participants and remains open world.)

They already said these systems will change in 2.0, so we have to wait and see..but instancing everything isn't the answer unless you do like single player experience MMOs.

There wouldn't be an issue if he killed all the mobs but based on what's said it sounds like they purposely left the boss mob alone so that the Behest wouldn't end and you couldn't even get the xp bonus at the end. I would consider that griefing cause sure a lv 50 can join and kill all the mobs if they like but purposely leaving the boss mob along so the lower players can't at least profit from the xp boost is harassment in my book.

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Originally Posted by Kensaki

I'll just counter that with the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Thanks for playing though.

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I actually was in agreement with you that what the other player did was harassment, and yet you use this utilitarian crap? Get over yourself; just low.

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Originally Posted by Kensaki

I was joining Drybone Behest where I joined a party forming I saw a player on his 50 BLM that wasn't joining the party. When the behest started he mounted up proceeded to kill all the mobs except boss mobs that where level 24 since he was in the behest and thus was unkillable on classes we where trying to level, So I sent a GM ticket about griefing and soon got the reply that this wasn't something the GM's could do anything about.

So is it true can you just waltz around ruining people's event and such and GM's will not do anything about it?

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Enjoy your open world experience!

I can't wait until 2.0 where we will get more rational players than the current majority who are delusional hipsters who religiously defend everything for no reason. It's a pretty sad community.

Six more months!