Bring Back Relic Weapon Quest Zones

Just make the overworld zones dense enough with fun stuff like the exploration zones, currently they have little use aside from the round trip from msq, gathering and weak fates.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Because that's literally all you do for like 80% of the time in Bozja which is still a huge boring margin. I constantly praise it's only saving graces with its raids but doing Fate Farms is so mundane and boring to get to the fun parts that it's like why even bother designing the zones like this?

How about adding daily quests or have open public dungeons or heck bring back the whole Hyrstmill thing from 1.0 where crafters and combat classes can work together to build resources and help defend bases. Like literally anything besides just Fate Farms in these zones.

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Because the players can’t figure out that Bozja isn’t designed to be fate farmed, CE’s don’t spawn based on skirmishes, they spawn based on magitek enemies and they also reward clusters you use for the lost actions people are always complaining they never have enough of

Open dungeons are basically dalriada and CLL, hyrstmill would never work in modern 14 because legacy was a totally different beast with a different structure

Basically Bozja is a victim of people playing it in a suboptimal way then complaining that suboptimal way is boring; you don’t have to sit in the middle of zone 3 of Zadnor and skirmish farm and ignore the rest of the content, if you do that’s on you for not getting everything out of Bozja

This is to say nothing of DRN and DRS who I’ll continue to argue DRS alongside BA are the best content this game has ever gotten (BA loses points for it’s annoying as hell entry system)

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Because the players can’t figure out that Bozja isn’t designed to be fate farmed, CE’s don’t spawn based on skirmishes, they spawn based on magitek enemies and they also reward clusters you use for the lost actions people are always complaining they never have enough of

Open dungeons are basically dalriada and CLL, hyrstmill would never work in modern 14 because legacy was a totally different beast with a different structure

Basically Bozja is a victim of people playing it in a suboptimal way then complaining that suboptimal way is boring; you don’t have to sit in the middle of zone 3 of Zadnor and skirmish farm and ignore the rest of the content, if you do that’s on you for not getting everything out of Bozja

This is to say nothing of DRN and DRS who I’ll continue to argue DRS alongside BA are the best content this game has ever gotten (BA loses points for it’s annoying as hell entry system)

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And people in here say I give out excuses for this game. Whatever man, you keep on demanding for that same mediocre content.

I'm a firm believer that exploratory zones have much better potential than what we got in Eureka and Bozja

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Because the players can’t figure out that Bozja isn’t designed to be fate farmed, CE’s don’t spawn based on skirmishes, they spawn based on magitek enemies and they also reward clusters you use for the lost actions people are always complaining they never have enough of

Open dungeons are basically dalriada and CLL, hyrstmill would never work in modern 14 because legacy was a totally different beast with a different structure

Basically Bozja is a victim of people playing it in a suboptimal way then complaining that suboptimal way is boring; you don’t have to sit in the middle of zone 3 of Zadnor and skirmish farm and ignore the rest of the content, if you do that’s on you for not getting everything out of Bozja

This is to say nothing of DRN and DRS who I’ll continue to argue DRS alongside BA are the best content this game has ever gotten (BA loses points for it’s annoying as hell entry system)

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Those magitek enemies don't help you level up, though. You can only level in Skirmishes and CEs. You're talking about someone max level and forgetting the slog to get there, which is mostly going to be Skirmishes and the occasional CE if you can get enough people doing it to succeed.

Loot the frags from the non-magitek mobs to get the essence and lost actions then to make that leveling not a slog.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Those magitek enemies don't help you level up, though. You can only level in Skirmishes and CEs. You're talking about someone max level and forgetting the slog to get there, which is mostly going to be Skirmishes and the occasional CE if you can get enough people doing it to succeed.

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Let’s ignore the fact that spawning CE’s helps you level

Not to mention you can pull magitek enemies into existing skirmishes or join cluster farm groups

Again it’s almost like people actively attempt to reduce content to its most boring state then complain it’s boring (see current dungeon design)

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Let’s ignore the fact that spawning CE’s helps you level

Not to mention you can pull magitek enemies into existing skirmishes or join cluster farm groups

Again it’s almost like people actively attempt to reduce content to its most boring state then complain it’s boring (see current dungeon design)

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What cluster farm groups? Like I said, you can't just focus on the final zone and people at mettle level 25. There are mettle requirements for the quests that unlock other zones and mettle only comes from Skirmishes and then CEs spawned by Skirmishes. So someone starting fresh right now is going to have a hard time. Last time I went into Southern Front about 8ish pm or so on a weekend there were 3 people in it. But anyone starting fresh is going to have to get through Southern Front first.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

What cluster farm groups? Like I said, you can't just focus on the final zone and people at mettle level 25. There are mettle requirements for the quests that unlock other zones and mettle only comes from Skirmishes and then CEs spawned by Skirmishes. So someone starting fresh right now is going to have a hard time. Last time I went into Southern Front about 8ish pm or so on a weekend there were 3 people in it. But anyone starting fresh is going to have to get through Southern Front first.

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CE’a don’t spawn off skirmishes this is what you aren’t getting

They spawn off killing magitek, so yes you can level in cluster farm groups

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

No. I want them to bring back the ARR style or Relic quests where you had specific objectives and each weapon had its own history and lore tied to them.

I rather they evolve exploratory zones to be more diverse areas and activities that don't just involve FATE farms. I don't want another Bozja or Eureka repeat

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I'd rather farm the next relic through the island sanctuary than having to endure the steaming pile of shit that was the ARR relic grind. Never Again.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Was doing Bozja a couple nights ago with a full party, and I forgot how fun the idea of Eureka, and Bozja are. They really put your skills, and wits to the test to get your weapons. Each one earned feels like you've truly earned it.

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I have been doing a bit of Eureka, because I need poetics for the HW relics and can at least try to get some of the Eureka weapons at the same time. And its such a boring/mind numbing content for me. (Doing Anemos and Pagos right now) The highest amount of people I had in a instance where 30 people at a saturday night in EU.

Thanks to the low amount of people barely any fates spawn since most people still go back to "town" after a kill, seemingly hoping that somebody else will spawn these fates for them...

Bozja is a bit better but still comes down to basically smaller fates and boss fates...stuff that we already do in main content.

So please SE if you ever decide to do the zones again, dont lock the relics behind it...if people will find such content fun, then they will surely play this without that as a reward. Or at least make it possible to completely do it outside of it too...just as a insurance if the content fails or wont be done in the future.