Should relic stats be tweeked?

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Originally Posted by TheFatHousecat

While you obviously shouldn't just take DPS into account, it doesn't matter because the bonus stats on any of the weapons really aren't that great. The best ones as far as I can tell are lance, bow, and staff, and even then the stat increase really isn't worth the time/effort and just in general calling something a relic and then giving it easily replaceable stats is pretty silly.

As far as MNK goes: refresh/MP is nice but nothing to get excited about, ATK is okay, but it should be higher, and EVA is absolutely useless. The Shoulder Tackle bonus is also laughable.

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Yup i feel the same way mnk wep was the only one i wanted but i don't feel its worth my time =/

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Originally Posted by Firon

Yup i feel the same way mnk wep was the only one i wanted but i don't feel its worth my time =/

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Pretty much ;/ I'm getting bow, which I think is the best one to get simply because of the song duration bonus, but honestly, -30 enmity? Right after they nerfted BRD? REALLY? WHEN AM I EVER

GONNA RIP

HATE

I hate this game so much sometimes.

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Originally Posted by TheFatHousecat

Before you judge OP, let's think about this objectively:

For MNK:

Ifrit's Claws to Garuda's Talons = 1.38 DPS upgrade. Which is pretty fair, for a Primal fight which isn't very hard and considering it doesn't take much time to get either weapon if you just farm for the weapon exchange item.

Garuda's Talons to Sphairai = 0.98 DPS upgrade. In order to get this upgrade you need to spend millions of gil getting a double meld, weeks farming Hamlet for seals, you need to speed run <17 mins in both AV/CC 3 times, do a behest, caravan, faction leve, get 999 beastcoins (or 500/99 depending on which you choose), kill Ifrit on Extreme mode, and kill Garuda.

Doesn't seem quite right does it?

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Stop looking at that one stat.

Sphairai:
MP+70
Evasion+30
Attack Power+60
Refresh+5
Increases Shoulder Tackle damage

Garuda's Talons:
Wind Resistance+15
Accuracy+25
Critical Hit Attack Power+40
Chance to inflict wind damage

Ifrit's Claws:
Fire Resistance+15
Attack Power+30
Chance to inflict fire damage

If you can't see that the Sphairai is DRASTICALLY better, minus 1 whole damage per second, you're insane.

But as stated before, if you don't want to put in the time for these weapons (which are upgradable by the way), you don't have to.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_Hibiki

im pretty tired that people feel the need to start a change petition for every single damn thing the devs put out.

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This is not a petition.

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

Stop looking at that one stat.

Sphairai:
MP+70
Evasion+30
Attack Power+60
Refresh+5
Increases Shoulder Tackle damage

Garuda's Talons:
Wind Resistance+15
Accuracy+25
Critical Hit Attack Power+40
Chance to inflict wind damage

Ifrit's Claws:
Fire Resistance+15
Attack Power+30
Chance to inflict fire damage

If you can't see that the Sphairai is DRASTICALLY better, minus 1 whole damage per second, you're insane.

But as stated before, if you don't want to put in the time for these weapons (which are upgradable by the way), you don't have to.

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Just because they have more stat points on them doesn't make them drastically better, the Sphairai are better than Garuda Talons yes that is a fact that cant be debated, the question is if the stats on Sphairai are worth the huge time investment required to get.

I think most people who play monk and understand how monk works as a dps class will agree Sphairai are underwhelming at best.

Edit: Also how do you know they are upgradeable? do you work for SE? they will probably add a way to upgrade relics in the future i agree but when exactly? in patch 2.1? in a years time? in 4 years time?

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Originally Posted by Penguin

Just because they have more stat points on them doesn't make them drastically better, the Sphairai are better than Garuda Talons yes that is a fact that cant be debated, the question is if the stats on Sphairai are worth the huge time investment required to get.

I think most people who play monk and understand how monk works as a dps class will agree Sphairai are underwhelming at best.

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Maybe a better question is, if this game stays around another 2-3 years and the currect weapons are so close to "Relic" weapons, does that mean Odin weapons (for example) will be on par or maybe better than the relics?

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Originally Posted by waldo

Maybe a better question is, if this game stays around another 2-3 years and the currect weapons are so close to "Relic" weapons, does that mean Odin weapons (for example) will be on par or maybe better than the relics?

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SE has stated numerous times that Relics are not meant for everyone. Those who cannot obtain relics may await the new primal drops, if they drop weapons still.

no need, i will do it no matter if the fight related to relics or not. It's not about a reward, it's abt achivement for playing this game. no more lolprimal.

They did say its upgradeable, it might safe to say that they will be best in slot forever?

I do think for the effort the stats should be ridiculous, I can't imagine anyone in this thread truly believes they have a chance of beating Extreme Ifrit after watching that and if they do then they are probably deluding themselves.

Good luck with that though :D