Tanks are at their most fun when you can solo certain old Extremes and Savage Raids

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Preventing damage is literally the same thing as healing. . . otherwise healer shielding wouldn't exist.

It's a concept called "effective hit points".

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So your argument is that tanks and healers are the same thing. That's a fair argument I suppose.

But the definition of a tank is to "protect the party". The top way they do this is to hold the attention of enemies so that they take all of the damage, but alternative ways they can achieve it is by applying mitigations to the party.

Whereas healers are supposed to heal them when they actually do take some damage.

The lines are blurred here because of the fact healers are able to "protect the party" and tanks are able to "heal the party".

Are we seriously pretending the healers step on tank toes because they have some shield spells? Tank, the one-man-army overpowered role that does near prange levels of damage, apart from DRK has busted party and personal heals like Medica 2 + Succor It Off and 20 second personal Bloodwhettingdiction, and is the only role with the defense required to survive tank mechanics?

Tanks are currently quite fun when soloing content. Because they're overpowered. They're the only ones with the power to perform their own role, plus have gobbled up sufficient ability to perform the others that they don't need any help.

Again, odd party and solo comps are definitely a fun challenge to take on! And why is this a multiplayer game again? If you want to make all roles useful, tanks need nerfs. They're too good at everything.

I think i'm bit of a boomer vanilla wow enjoyer, but i miss threat mattering for tanks. They were alot more fun when they weren't just blue DPS

No idea how I managed to reply in the wrong thread.

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

I think i'm bit of a boomer vanilla wow enjoyer, but i miss threat mattering for tanks. They were alot more fun when they weren't just blue DPS

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Yeah because forcing the DPS to stop DPSing is... fun... right?

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Originally Posted by Pratini

Yeah because forcing the DPS to stop DPSing is... fun... right?

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There used to be skills that dumped aggro for DPS/Healers. It actually made the whole game more engaging...but can't have much thought process in this game because that was apparently too hard for a LOT of people.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

In the same way, healers should not be able to mitigate (ie. we should not have barrier healers, that's literally the job of tanks to protect the party).

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Healers in Final Fantasy have been able to mitigate damage since the very beginning. It'd be a sad turn of events to make them nothing but cure bots…

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I disagree, I had the most fun when tanks were actually tanks, and not dps who can heal and take lots of incoming damage.



They've really ruined the role for me. It was at its best in 2.0 honestly. It's gone downhill from there.

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Was there ever a time when tanks only cared about tanking? Even back in ARR tanks were prioritizing strength over defensive stats, and I can certainly say I do not miss stance dancing in an attempt to maximize damage dealt. SE even tried to stop tanks from using strength accessories in SB by job restricting them and they would just overmeld strength in crafted stuff over raid items.

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Originally Posted by Denji

If you're a war you can do this with just about any content when the healer dies, barring the current expansion's end-game duties.

Just don't do it when you're in a party unless the thing is nearly dead. :') Nobody wants to wait 10-15 minutes to watch the war slowly murder a thing. Sorta why I don't entirely hate the concept of an enrage after a set amount of time.

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Back in ShB, we had diamond weapon normal that only 2 tanks (PLD and WAR) did the fight while the 6 other guys dead because of tower. The fight become sooooo long but they managed to defeat it...

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Originally Posted by Pratini

Yeah because forcing the DPS to stop DPSing is... fun... right?

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All dps had threat drops, and tanks had abilities that generated extra threat to make up for dps not using these.
I found things more engaging with that extra layer on the gameplay