A summary of healer issues

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Originally Posted by DayHealer

Thing is nowadays tanks are so OP that they barely need heals in dungeons lately, hell I have seen bosses over 50% HP being taken down with the healer dead.

Instead if there was more unavoidable damage to actually HEAL in dungeons/raids, then healing jobs could be more engaging, not silly ideas like add another attack to healers kit. If you like to do damage go play a DPS, the healer job is to HEAL, contrary to popular opinion I think our attacking skills are enough.

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Arguably, and quite hilariously, that could actually be contrary to current design philosophy.
As it stands, the healers are expected to do ~15-20% of the team damage. By making fights do more damage, and forcing healers to heal more, you're reducing their effective DPS over a fight.

If Healers are expected to heal more, they're necessarily expected to DPS less, which seems contrary to how they've designed fights recently.

Imagine the original P8S P1 enrage check with less healer DPS

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Originally Posted by VentVanitas

Have you... not paid any attention to the forums besides general discussion since EW dropped? The whole reason why there's people clamouring about the "2 minute meta" is because that homogenization started to effect DPS.

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I visited the healer forums once. It was an echo chamber of salt. And when I dared speak my own opinion about how I liked healer as it is now, they got extremely vitriolic. So why would I pay attention to anything other than general discussion, which has arguably less vitriol.

Incoming damage cannot be increased because it'll kill raiding as a whole, look how few healers there have been this tier with the increased pressure on healers. If casual content requires healers being remotely competent then firstly it'll be hilarious and secondly the role will be even deader.

The gameplay loop of healers is entirely wrong for the game. Both other roles interact with their niche through damage - which with timed enrages is all that matters. Aggro is generated through damage, or healing at a push, and bloodwhetting, TBN and vengeance all combine damage with sustain. HW warrior even took this a step further with abandon stacks being generated from vengeance/raw intuition. Healers have energy drain and lilies. Kardia doesn't even count because it's just a fairy that can't be relied on when you need to gcd heal.

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Originally Posted by fulminating

Incoming damage cannot be increased because it'll kill raiding as a whole, look how few healers there have been this tier with the increased pressure on healers. If casual content requires healers being remotely competent then firstly it'll be hilarious and secondly the role will be even deader.

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Precisely.

When we still have Timmy the Medica II Mage running around letting people die (unintentionally, unfortunately) because they do not know how to utilize 30% - 100% of their entire healing kits from bottom casual to EX/Savage+ contents as of today, what makes people think raising incoming damage would magically 'fix' the issue, if it fixes any at all in the future?

Lmao, really.

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

I visited the healer forums once. It was an echo chamber of salt. And when I dared speak my own opinion about how I liked healer as it is now, they got extremely vitriolic. So why would I pay attention to anything other than general discussion, which has arguably less vitriol.

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It has less vitriol because the more acidic users left. This place was literally Dead Ends’ Judgment Day a year ago.

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Originally Posted by Renathras

Ahem, not to put too fine a point on it but...have you looked at your profile lately on Lodestone? It seems unsearchable on the forbidden site, but I don't see Savage clear mounts or Extreme mounts under that Mount tab. Easy to cast stones when you make it where others can't verify how you stack up to your own standard... <_<

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It's really easy to verify. I don't exactly try to hide anything. Look up Skiros.

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Originally Posted by Iyrnthota

Arguably, and quite hilariously, that could actually be contrary to current design philosophy.
As it stands, the healers are expected to do ~15-20% of the team damage. By making fights do more damage, and forcing healers to heal more, you're reducing their effective DPS over a fight.

If Healers are expected to heal more, they're necessarily expected to DPS less, which seems contrary to how they've designed fights recently.

Imagine the original P8S P1 enrage check with less healer DPS

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Week 1 healer DPS checks always required pretty optimized healing with minimal GCDs. This isn't set in stone. O4S P1 which spammed White Hole again and again was the same deal.

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Originally Posted by fulminating

Incoming damage cannot be increased because it'll kill raiding as a whole, look how few healers there have been this tier with the increased pressure on healers. If casual content requires healers being remotely competent then firstly it'll be hilarious and secondly the role will be even deader.

The gameplay loop of healers is entirely wrong for the game. Both other roles interact with their niche through damage - which with timed enrages is all that matters. Aggro is generated through damage, or healing at a push, and bloodwhetting, TBN and vengeance all combine damage with sustain. HW warrior even took this a step further with abandon stacks being generated from vengeance/raw intuition. Healers have energy drain and lilies. Kardia doesn't even count because it's just a fairy that can't be relied on when you need to gcd heal.

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Lol the high end healers I know mostly quit because healing got mind-numbingly boring. Since ShB. Not because there's pressure.

Pretty much posting anything healer related to the General forum is going to get a tepid response. Most players simply don't care how badly designed healers are.

Now, remove a single button from Samurai and it's the end of the world.

Can we get the Cliff Notes version and I personally like my healer.