Remove black screen fade when taking resurrection

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Originally Posted by Rongway

Your character data is not destroyed and rebuilt when you raise
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All current debuffs are removed. Health points are increased from 0 to 10%. The rez debuff is applied. Your gear takes a decided hit. You definitely hear the 'teleport' sound, followed by the 'rez' animation.

And you and I have absolutely no idea of what code is written to do all of that, although I conceive it as destroying and rebuilding your character and you do not.

The other 'teleport' examples brought up do not involve changing your character in any way, shape, or form. They do not play the 'rez' animation for your character. So, it's not doing what you think it's doing.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

in any case it is ultimately a matter of (1) setting a new character position, (2) setting the camera position to match, and (3) moving the character and the camera to their new position.

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Bolded is the important point here - the reason for the black screen in its entirety is to create a seamless transition from one point to another. It's a pretty game industry standard effect to mask extremely jarring movements over long distances, some developers simply have better ways to mask the transition with environmental tricks (Dark Souls does a whole bunch of these transition trickeries, for example). It's the same reason there's black screens when you go through things like portals in The Chrysalis, Halicarnassus in O3's desert maze, etc. The actual area you're warped to exists right next to the arena field you fight in and could theoretically get moved there without a load screen in 0.5s, but the movement is insanely jarring. Which is the ultimate point here why raise has the fade out - it creates a much more smoother, pleasant on the eye transition.

However, there is a crucial point that you get wrong about your shukuchi example - shukuchi is not an instantaneous movement, your character slides to the location quickly, on top of the camera follows you during the slide to match your character's movement. This is extremely important, as it creates the exact same seamless transition from one point to another that's pleasing to the eye. With raise being point A -> point B with absolutely zero interpolated locations inbetween, there is no opportunity to create the fluid motion from one location to another. That's also without factoring in that the theoretical highest distance for shukuchi is only 20yalms, whereas with raise you can get raised 30y away, creating an extremely jarring camera snap from point A to point B.

As far as potentially emulating rescue and causing the body to slide instead of warp? I doubt that's possible - we already know dead bodies can interact with stages elements (like if a diamond weapon platform gets destroyed, the dead body falls off of it and gets respawned elsewhere. I have zero doubts trying to slide the body over instead of warping it would cause the body to interact with field elements like pits/etc and cause a massive delay/issue in the respawning process.

For another example of why the developers do the fadeout - why do you think animation developers bother to animate the frames of the character moving in between one location and another, even when they're moving at high speeds? Or even during instant teleporting like in DBZ, why they always leave & create distortion effects at their start & end locations? Simply having a character start in one location and end in another is extremely uncanny for the vast majority. If you want an in-game example of something that looks extremely uncanny of instant warping, go do Elusive jump off a cliff with an area you can land on below. Your character will instantaneously snap to the bottom of the cliff, but the movement itself looks insanely wrong.

In the couple of gaming projects I've worked on at AAA studios, anytime we had instantaneous teleporting and hadn't put in the fading yet, the game testers would always complain & submit bug tickets regarding it citing that it looked wrong/broken - at the end of the day, it all comes down to the perception of smooth movement or the suspension of disbelief of moving from one spot to another without making it look uncanny.

Couldn't it be solved by changing ress to it resses the player at their current location, the short invuln covering immunity against death walls and other unpleasant things?
5s should be enough to move your butt out of a death wall, no? Because death walls are currently the only reason why ressing someone where they are would be problematic.

And for the "but people could cheese with it!" - people already "cheese" with ress invuln. Taking a stack with someone at low HP, moving through danger zones unharmed etc.; that is just clever gameplay and making the most out of a death and ress. Nothing bad or cheesy about being able to move out of a death wall for 5s. Not like you want to be in there for any reason or could pull off some crazy stunts that only work in death walls.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

Like how the teleporters in the Diamond Weapon arena teleport you across from one ship to the other without blacking the screen or killing you in the center void? <== THIS is how simple it would be to give us a raise that moves the camera without blacking the screen. Thanks for the example.

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Both you and Brightamethyst make great points.

Maybe it is the way it is for the same reason you can't accept party invites while engaged with the marketboard. Spaghetti code that's been around probably since 1.0.

Its a similar issue in PvP making the respawn timer longer than it should be. That said, I think the issue is the game relocating your characters position so I imagine there is a technical reason for it.

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Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir

Bolded is the important point here - the reason for the black screen in its entirety is to create a seamless transition from one point to another. It's a pretty game industry standard effect to mask extremely jarring movements over long distances, some developers simply have better ways to mask the transition with environmental tricks

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Yeah, if you had ever played with some who lagging really bad, when they die their corpse would just rubber banding around the arena, very creepy and ackward. And rescue-res would be the same thing.

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However, there is a crucial point that you get wrong about your shukuchi example - shukuchi is not an instantaneous movement, your character slides to the location quickly, on top of the camera follows you during the slide to match your character's movement. This is extremely important, as it creates the exact same seamless transition from one point to another that's pleasing to the eye. With raise being point A -> point B with absolutely zero interpolated locations inbetween, there is no opportunity to create the fluid motion from one location to another.

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This is another valid point, outside of actual teleport, the game has no actual physical displacement, everything is just extremely fast movement masked with an illusionary animation. Case in point, you can't use DRG jump hope over a ground AOE (you still gonna get the tick even if you never land on it), nor you can use it to hop over a split platform (you just gonna fall down). Without teleportation, there would be no way for a healer to res someone that's not on the same platform of them if there are a split arena.

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Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir

However, there is a crucial point that you get wrong about your shukuchi example - shukuchi is not an instantaneous movement, your character slides to the location quickly, on top of the camera follows you during the slide to match your character's movement. This is extremely important, as it creates the exact same seamless transition from one point to another that's pleasing to the eye. With raise being point A -> point B with absolutely zero interpolated locations inbetween, there is no opportunity to create the fluid motion from one location to another. That's also without factoring in that the theoretical highest distance for shukuchi is only 20yalms, whereas with raise you can get raised 30y away, creating an extremely jarring camera snap from point A to point B.

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It's not important. The timing of the pre-move, move, and post-move can be adjusted so that the movement happens smoothly enough without affecting the total raise sequence timing. Of course an instantaneous camera movement from point A to point B that happens in a single frame would be jarring; that's obviously not what we're asking for here. Let's review the relevant portion of the timeline again.

Currently, here's what is involved in just the movement:

1. The character model becomes invisible.
2. The screen fades to black.
3. The character's position is updated.
4. The camera's position is updated. The camera instantaneously moves to the new poisition.
5. The screen fades in.
6. The character model becomes visible.

There is plenty of time between when character model becomes invisible and when it becomes visible again to move the camera smoothly to the new position instead of fading the screen in and out.

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Originally Posted by dspguy

Maybe it is the way it is for the same reason you can't accept party invites while engaged with the marketboard. Spaghetti code that's been around probably since 1.0.

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We really need to stop blaming everything on "spaghetti code". We're talking about a movement animation. That's all. We're not querying any database tables or making changes to the data structures that could be abused if done in an improper order.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

Yeah, if you had ever played with some who lagging really bad, when they die their corpse would just rubber banding around the arena, very creepy and ackward. And rescue-res would be the same thing.

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That's a non-issue: the character model is invisible during the movement portion of the raise. For everyone who is not the dead person, it wouldn't look any different than it already does. Removing the fade would affect only the dead person because the dead person is the only one who sees the screen fade anyway.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

This is another valid point, outside of actual teleport, the game has no actual physical displacement, everything is just extremely fast movement masked with an illusionary animation. Case in point, you can't use DRG jump hope over a ground AOE (you still gonna get the tick even if you never land on it), nor you can use it to hop over a split platform (you just gonna fall down). Without teleportation, there would be no way for a healer to res someone that's not on the same platform of them if there are a split arena.

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Diamond Weapon example clearly contradicts this. Terrain is irrelevant to the problem.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

We're talking about a movement animation. That's all.

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Except that is not all we're talking about. There are at least four separate things being done during this "movement", including health bar adjustments, removing effects, adding effects and the 'rez' animation itself.

Ignoring those other four things is where you continually go wrong.

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Diamond Weapon example clearly contradicts this.

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Oddly enough, that portal movement does not involve health bar adjustments, removing effects, adding effects and presenting a 'rez' animation. Who'd have thought otherwise?

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

Except that is not all we're talking about. There are at least four separate things being done during this "movement", including health bar adjustments, removing effects, adding effects and the 'rez' animation itself.

Ignoring those other four things is where you continually go wrong.

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All the other things are irrelevant to the movement portion. They can happen in their own time. We literally are only talking about the movement part of the raise, from the time the character becomes invisible to the time the character becomes visible again. All the other things that happen do not care about that portion of the sequence.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

All the other things are irrelevant to the movement portion. They can happen in their own time. We literally are only talking about the movement part of the raise, from the time the character becomes invisible to the time the character becomes visible again. All the other things that happen do not care about that portion of the sequence.

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Except that they all occur as part of the movement portion. And have done so since A Realm Reborn was released. The movement was coded along with the animation and the character adjustments.

Look, I get it. You don't want to lose face. To the point where you'll change the argument from "this all occurs as part of the Raise" to "they don't need to do this to cover up the movement", which are not the same arguments.