Square, please balance Deep Dungeon 6.3 for 70-90, not just 81+!

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

But the request was for it to go from where HoH leaves off, not to go from 1-90...

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This is what Bozja is there for if you desire for getting those levels.

Basically it goes from 1-50 (PoTD) 50-60 (Hellsward) 60-70 (HnH) 70-80 (Bozja) and now 80-90 (Eureka Orthos)

Theres no reason for making the EW Deep Dungeon to start at lv.71 especially for content released for Endwalkers cycle. Nobody is gonna like starting this new content with even less of their acquired toolkit than what they started with in Endwalker.

Again we have Bozja for those seeking to get those levels and it works perfectly fine imo.

Are we seriously still on this ridiculous drivel? Do people not understand the concept of "WE HAVE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR"

What, do you really just want another Deep Dungeon at those levels? Sorry, you missed your shot. You ain't getting one. And you didn't get one before because of a myriad of reasons, among of which was Covid restrictions.

You have what you're asking for, and that's an easy way to level up.

Don't like it? Well tough bloody shit, start dealing with it. You have alternatives. Don't want to deal with the alternatives, well then make your own game. There's plenty of other far more valid complaints where we don't have any alternative whatsoever, yet people are honestly making a big deal out of something that's so simple.

Start appreciating the game you have instead of acting entitled. What's next, you're gonna go on Riot and ask to jump Elo and Rank through ARAM instead of doing Summoner's Rift?

What an incredibly and bizarrely hostile thread.

Some of ya'll need to get help.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

What an incredibly and bizarrely hostile thread.

Some of ya'll need to get help.

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Some of y'all need to learn to take a No for an answer.

I've seen people move the goalpost in this thread. Is it an EXP issue or is it just to have a Deep Dungeon? Make up your minds.
I've seen people ask why not have a deep dungeon and asking what the harm is. Were this about half the threads I'm invested in, the first answer anyone gives is "Dev time and resources". Done. And I already mentioned that this is going to kill another piece of content just to make this content thrive.
And then there's the disconnect between lv 70 people and lv 80 people, as some will prefer one thing over another.
But the worst for me is people ignoring the fact that the alternative already exists, they just don't want to go through it. And I'm sorry, but at that point people are just being obtuse, because there's no real reason to downgrade a piece of content just because the previous expansion didn't have it.

The answer is just a hard "no". If it won't come from us, it definitely will come from Yoshida.

It's probably same reason they're so hesitant to change old Eureka to work like Bozja with level sync and EXP gains - in fear that it will trample on HoH's grounds, as Expeditions are a thousand times more fun than Deep Dungeons, while also allowing you to work on relics at same time as you do them, so if they do that, HoH will just die, other than for weapon farmers.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

This is what Bozja is there for if you desire for getting those levels.

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Bozja is there for my wanting to level via DD because it gives experience?

If content type is irrelevant, then what purpose does Bozja ultimately serve post-relic? We already have roulettes, dungeon spam, and FATEs.

Just as there's no reason for Diadem and Eureka to be non-options for leveling and therefore alternatingly exclude Exploratory Missions from leveling options over 50-70, there's no reason to specifically exclude DD from leveling options over 70-80.

Choice is not a bad thing. Dungeons and roulettes didn't kill Bozja leveling. Why would having both options across 50-90 leveling suddenly do so?

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Are we seriously still on this ridiculous drivel? Do people not understand the concept of "WE HAVE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR"

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Do you still not understand that if/when someone is looking for meat and you point them to the cereal aisle because "We don't sell meat between 3 and 4 pm, but food is all just calories anyways" that they're not the one failing to understand something obvious?

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Some of y'all need to learn to take a No for an answer.

I've seen people move the goalpost in this thread. Is it an EXP issue or is it just to have a Deep Dungeon? Make up your minds.
I've seen people ask why not have a deep dungeon and asking what the harm is. Were this about half the threads I'm invested in, the first answer anyone gives is "Dev time and resources". Done. And I already mentioned that this is going to kill another piece of content just to make this content thrive.
And then there's the disconnect between lv 70 people and lv 80 people, as some will prefer one thing over another.
But the worst for me is people ignoring the fact that the alternative already exists, they just don't want to go through it. And I'm sorry, but at that point people are just being obtuse, because there's no real reason to downgrade a piece of content just because the previous expansion didn't have it.

The answer is just a hard "no". If it won't come from us, it definitely will come from Yoshida.

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People just want to be bitter and mad about something. They probably don't believe covid was a thing and instead believe SE was just lazy during ShB. :p

It's funny and sad because we know this isn't going to happen.

Technically, all deep dungeon content will eventually be killed after Duty Support is out since people usually do Deep Dungeon runs for faster DPS queues to get EXP.
I've noticed less and less people were doing PoTD ever since ARR had story mode. I will expect the same to happen to HoH once SE decides to implement Duty Support for Stormblood.
And by that time, new players will definitely be a lot more anti-social since their first interaction with other players in dungeons start much later. I wouldn't be surprised if it backfires on the community in the long run.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Bozja is there for my wanting to level via DD because it gives experience?

If content type is irrelevant, then what purpose does Bozja ultimately serve post-relic? We already have roulettes, dungeon spam, and FATEs.

Just as there's no reason for Diadem and Eureka to be non-options for leveling and therefore alternatingly exclude Exploratory Missions from leveling options over 50-70, there's no reason to specifically exclude DD from leveling options over 70-80.

Choice is not a bad thing. Dungeons and roulettes didn't kill Bozja leveling. Why would having both options across 50-90 leveling suddenly do so?


Do you still not understand that if/when someone is looking for meat and you point them to the cereal aisle because "We don't sell meat between 3 and 4 pm, but food is all just calories anyways" that they're not the one failing to understand something obvious?

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You keep ignoring how Im saying that Bozja is currently being used for leveling alt jobs atm, even at 80-90. We basically have what you're already asking, for those levels. You just dont like Bozja and with that I cant seriously help you.

With the EW DD, it'll nicely spread out the groups for 80-90 only, and you even said it yourself, if you dont enjoy Bozja then there's the roulettes alternative. And again my point still stands that for an EW DD, people will be expecting to run that content based on EW levels not Shadowbringers levels.

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Originally Posted by AnotherPerson

Technically, all deep dungeon content will eventually be killed after Duty Support is out since people usually do Deep Dungeon runs for faster DPS queues to get EXP.
I've noticed less and less people were doing PoTD ever since ARR had story mode. I will expect the same to happen to HoH once SE decides to implement Duty Support for Stormblood.
And by that time, new players will definitely be a lot more anti-social since their first interaction with other players in dungeons start much later. I wouldn't be surprised if it backfires on the community in the long run.

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I agree with the first part, but I don't see any kind of decline happening socially. Players still have to interact for trials, raids and more so it won't be that long before they see people and, if they've been paying attention to the clearer and more consistent path, mechs should be less of a problem. I don't believe things can get much worse with people being as they are.