SE, please listen to the constant feedback about the glamour system

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Actually not "simple as" when said competitors don't even do multiclassing, which remains the biggest problem in all of this.

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They store appearances across the entire account. So while you can't multi-class a single character you do, indeed, store multiple classes' armors in their versions of the glamour system.

It's very much "simple as." Honestly, the biggest problem in all of this is SE has horrible data management and a tendency to claim something is "impossible" when it's not.

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Originally Posted by Mika_Zahard

Yeah imagine paying for a service, and having to feel grateful because they're updating the service (making it more useful/convenient)

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Yeah some white knights on these forums act like we're getting some charity, rather than being paying clients of a service.

And I totally agree with OP of course, as do most people.

For purposes of clarity: the glamour system, while cumbersome, affects me less than it does most other people because I visited FFXIV sites to view the different outfits and pre-planned what items I wished to get for my character. I have five basic appearances: one for tanks, one for casters, one for melee DPS, one for ranged DPS (bard or dancer), and one for crafting. Unless some new outfit releases that is better for my "intended vision" than the current choices, I wouldn't need more space, personally.


However, the fact that the glamour system's shortcomings do not impact me negatively are still no excuse for those shortcomings. To put things into perspective: Guild Wars 2, an MMO that released 10 years ago, has a cleaner user interface system both for transmog/glamour/appearance changes and dyeing outfits.

World of Warcraft's transmog system, while it lacks dyeing altogether, is another good example of how to design a clean system that saves appearances of gear. WoW's system was modernized after Guild Wars 2 released.

It is silly that FFXIV lags behind other games in what is now considered by many players to be a basic component of character customization in MMOs. The glamour system is a convoluted mess, from the prisms needed, to the awkward dyeing and saving of colour schemes, to the armoire + dresser + plate combination. This system is primitive.

This is a shame because FFXIV's graphics and gear are beautiful even when compared against newer MMOs'. A revamped glamour system, simplified and streamlined from the ground up, would make the game shine.

People can argue all day about the time developers have for this or that or whether this or that thing should take priority over something else. The fact is, we have no idea what the developers are working on day-to-day, nor what is taking priority any given moment. What we can do, though (and ought to do, given that we are paying for a service), is express concerns with a system and request that it be improved, or at least brought up to the general standard of other MMOs from ten years ago.

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Originally Posted by Arzalis

They store appearances across the entire account. So while you can't multi-class a single character you do, indeed, store multiple classes' armors in their versions of the glamour system.

It's very much "simple as." Honestly, the biggest problem in all of this is SE has horrible data management and a tendency to claim something is "impossible" when it's not.

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I'm aware of what WoW can do and it's still managing so much less than XIV would and on top of that people want the job restrictions removed. People need to take a good honest look at everything and realize it may be some time before this change comes, if ever.


Again, I'm NOT AGAINST any kind of change. I (and others) just accept the reality of the situation. The dresser was an afterthought, coming out 4 years ago in the middle of stormblood. Simple math (they just lost revenue on people with at least 2 additional retainers for glam storage) and observation of their tendencies towards this feature show the truth of the matter. This update just dropped and they already knew some people wouldn't be happy with it. No amount of recycled threads is going to change anything.

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Originally Posted by Jessica_VS

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However, the fact that the glamour system's shortcomings do not impact me negatively are still no excuse for those shortcomings. To put things into perspective: Guild Wars 2, an MMO that released 10 years ago, has a cleaner user interface system both for transmog/glamour/appearance changes and dyeing outfits.

World of Warcraft's transmog system, while it lacks dyeing altogether, is another good example of how to design a clean system that saves appearances of gear. WoW's system was modernized after Guild Wars 2 released.

It is silly that FFXIV lags behind other games in what is now considered by many players to be a basic component of character customization in MMOs. The glamour system is a convoluted mess, from the prisms needed, to the awkward dyeing and saving of colour schemes, to the armoire + dresser + plate combination. This system is primitive...

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Its both funny and ironic that Yoshi P has been quoted saying how much he likes WoW transmog system and wishes a similar system was in place here .. yet here we are applying bandaids to glam capacity instead of that.

To make things worse, WoW improved their transmog system by end of Legion/start of BfA, yet all XIV could do is double the glam cap.


But that's alright, you people can continue buying megashibas and the training bra mogs, maybe one day SE will have a spare couple of dollars to let a dev apply yet another bandaid.

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Originally Posted by Mika_Zahard

Its both funny and ironic that Yoshi P has been quoted saying how much he likes WoW transmog system and wishes a similar system was in place here .. yet here we are applying bandaids to glam capacity instead of that.

To make things worse, WoW improved their transmog system by end of Legion/start of BfA, yet all XIV could do is double the glam cap.


But that's alright, you people can continue buying megashibas and the training bra mogs, maybe one day SE will have a spare couple of dollars to let a dev apply yet another bandaid.

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It's not even that. Yoshida and the devs have stated they have tried numerous times to emulate WoWs transmogs system into FFXIv but due to engine complications they couldn't nail the system down. They are fully aware that the glamour system is bad and they said they're still trying to find a way to get the wow transmogs system to work in FFXIV. But in the meantime all they can do is apply bandage aids to the current system like this

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

It's not even that. Yoshida and the devs have stated they have tried numerous times to emulate WoWs transmogs system into FFXIv but due to engine complications they couldn't nail the system down. They are fully aware that the glamour system is bad and they said they're still trying to find a way to get the wow transmogs system to work in FFXIV. But in the meantime all they can do is apply bandage aids to the current system like this

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But they can. And they had a great idea for the system: Replicas.

And the problem lies in their mailbox. The only other way you could get the replicas on your remaining characters is via mailbox .. but guess what? You can only get 20 SE mails at once, and other type of inbox has a limit of 20 attachment items.

So if u make another character, when you check the inbox you'll be flooded with stuff immediately. They indeed did corner themselves with that engine..

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Originally Posted by Mika_Zahard

But they can. And they had a great idea for the system: Replicas.

And the problem lies in their mailbox. The only other way you could get the replicas on your remaining characters is via mailbox .. but guess what? You can only get 20 SE mails at once, and other type of inbox has a limit of 20 attachment items.

So if u make another character, when you check the inbox you'll be flooded with stuff immediately. They indeed did corner themselves with that engine..

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The problem with replicas and why I assume they retired the idea was the issue of creating item bloat in the market for them.

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Originally Posted by TheDustyOne

And honestly there's a lot more people that would rather a more comprehensive log system than what we have now.

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Oh really? "Honestly" ??
How do you know that? Have you surveyed the entire player base?

Or are you just making it up out of whole cloth to make it seem like your position is the majority? Well, it's not unusual for certain kinds of people to preface such blatent nonsense with the word "honestly:" are you a career politician, perhaps?

The real "honesty" is that neither you, nor any of the other complainers, have any idea at all what the majority of the player base wants. If anyone does, it's SE, not you, and even they may not. (Fortunately for SE, Yoshi-p has proven to have good instincts.)

And at the end of the day, what "most people want" doesn't matter. Any software company, including a game company, that lets the majority of its users dictate what features are added is committing suicide, because users -- being generally greedy, self-interested, and short-sighted -- will always want more stuff and never want to pay for it.

We've seen this in the complaints about the glamour system, with some people letting it slip -- saying the quiet part out loud -- that what they really want is more gear storage without needing to pay for more retainers.

I agree about gear aesthetic.

I want to look like a dancer, not a steam punk cowboy or flamboyant clown.

I know they do it with job gear, but they could rotate around themed aiming gear. And gunbreaker looks silly in a steel fortress.

Always wondered why people keep using job sets. This is why.