Frontlines is an Unbearable Experience Now

I dunno, dude. 2500 games but you're still making rookie mistakes? Maybe you can submit an actual game so we can critique your play and point out where you made a mistake?

I don't really find WHM or SMN to be an issue. I can't think of any class that I would say is an actual problem to deal with in FL right now. The biggest danger is people queuing together and abusing LB synching (typically something like SCH+MCH+MCH just deleting people from halfway across the map, etc) but... well, if they can do it, so can you.

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Originally Posted by Garten

Suggestions? since it seems you dont have problems with them.. (i am usually mch)

Or are you one those that reply to those screaming against plds in Onsal Hakkar to just get good? Like.. how do you even get good against 2/3 invulnerable ppl? Like in practice... not some obnoxious teoretical strategy where all your 24 team magically coordinates perfectly in harmony.


edit: I mean serioysly.. you just have to trust me... i have around 2500 matches in frontlines with around 36% win rate.. i am not stupid, not a virgin to this mode.. it is just that those jobs feels so.. dunno.. CHEAP?!? i dont even know how to describe exactly.. i just hate them.. just go after them, seriously.. i dont even almost never die in frontline (it's a long story.. let's just say that it is for me a game within the game to not die..)i will just go and kill them. every one of them that i can.. just imagine:

5 white mages or sum, coming from different angles.. your team is a bit crowded, not much but enough to get almost them... you cant evade that.. i mean ppl are trying to defend or get a f*king node or objective... they all shoot their laser beam and everyone get stunned and dmged, you pop purify but doesn't register before the interval between 2 shots... you can tell that that move is not thought for 24*3 mode, it is OBVIOUS. if it were, then it would be underwhelming in 5vs5, no? it is just logic.. an aoe move, balanced for 5vs5 could never function in a balanced way in a 24vs48 mode..
if you say otherwise i am sorry but i can't trust wathever you say..

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Easy, we are in 2022 and both xbox game bar or GeForce experience offering video recording
Record it and post it and let see how bad is it.
Note, I am expecting someone is doing kill call out tho

Mostly here are just Skill Issue tbh :)

Why do some people just adamantly refuse to admit some things are just flat out broken and it's not a "git gud" issue?

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

Why do some people just adamantly refuse to admit some things are just flat out broken and it's not a "git gud" issue?

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Take away the limit break regeneration outside of combat, and I am very positive that there's hardly any changes as to how frontlines is played.
Broken? I don't think so.
Busted? Definitely.

This is fundamentally git gud issue.
If you think Summoner is the issue, that only means you don't understand what is going on
These Summoners are not going to do much with out DRK or WAR to setup kill for them

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

Why do some people just adamantly refuse to admit some things are just flat out broken and it's not a "git gud" issue?

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I really don't get it either. Certain posters here act like SE could do no wrong in how things are currently balanced. Which I find amusing given it's pretty obvious that Frontlines was a complete afterthought with the PvP changes that were made, and SE mainly focused on balancing for 5v5 in Crystalline Conflict. Some jobs just scale ridiculously well in Frontlines due to it being larger group oriented, with how the maps and objectives were previously designed. A single summoner isn't so much an issue, but a premade of 4 summoners that coordinate their LBs can instantly wipe an entire enemy team with how much damage is done over such a wide area, even just from the initial hit. The people crying 'git gud' seem to be burying their heads in the sand and ignoring that there are legitimate criticisms and complaints with certain edge cases that are not balanced.

It wouldn't even be that difficult to make tweaks to balance things better for frontlines without gutting the effectiveness. Changing the summoner LB to reduce the range, radius, or even just make it a point blank AOE, would at least force summoners to have to play more tactically and 'git gud' themselves if they want to use their LB to full effect.

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Originally Posted by Gserpent

Hey, cool. If you hate it so much, stop playing it. And while you're at it, stop whining about it, too.

There's already a bunch of threads full of people whining about FL because they are unable or unwilling to bother trying to learn how to deal with the current meta. Summoner is fine, but you need to adjust how you play to account for it. Paladin is fine, but you need to adjust how you play to account for it. Nothing in FL is truly "broken" right now, though things are not ideal. We can expect some adjustments in 6.18, and probably more in 6.2x patches as well.

Until that point, your options are to either learn to deal with the current meta and play around it, or just write FL off as something you won't enjoy until changes are made to it. In either case, whining and complaining about it is not productive or constructive, nor is creating new threads for this whining and complaining when multiple other threads are already filling this purpose.

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Your quote is just as useless and unconstructive as you claim the post you're responding to is. Completely pointless. "Just deal with it bro" is neither constructive nor a valid response and it certainly is not an argument. It's just pompous stupidity. What do you even have to be arrogant about? Stop that.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

If you want two team games, wait for Rival Wing
Don't like Frontlien, then don't play; there are many way to get tome and experience

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nope sorry I still enjoy frontline(unless its nodes) it just be a much nicer mode if it was 1v1 for teams and not 1v1v1

GC aspect has long been dead and not a thing anymore

I predicted before entering this thread that there'd be SE white knights claiming everything relating to pvp is a skill issue, and that's exactly what I saw lol. Let's ignore all the one shot mechanics, the toolkits designed for monkeys, awful server infrastructure, the fact that every frontline top 20 are summoners, followed by 10 black mages. Its definately a skill issue guys.