It's clear SE doesn't care and Samurai will not be reverted in 6.2

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Originally Posted by Stasya

Hello white knight. If you were at ARR when 6.1 dropped then you probably have no clue about how content and max level works. Yes 6.1 is a minor patch for pve. Why? Savage content (the main thingy as max level content) is dead for months and no one cares about loot from alliance raids - you simply BUY cheap stuff from marketboard and trade it for gear that is same ilvl as alliance raid (might aswell with even better stats distribution). Ultimate is aswell side content, its not like every savage player jumped into it and already cleared.

And again. Ultimate? You think its ok to butcher class right before ultimate? Im sure there were statics that wanted to go SAM DNC comp and now SAM have 2 weeks to change to monk/nin .... Great patch btw.

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So we start with name calling from an esteemed Veteran. Great way. You may be right honestly. From the end game focused PvE Savage Raiders this patch is minor... Just like every x.1 patch ever since they streamlined Raids in HW dividing them between normal/story version and Savage ones as you always get second tier for Savage at X.2. From that perspective wouldn't x.1 patch a perfect opportunity for change like this? Ultimately you just given players 4 months to get used to the situation and if needed get gear for another Job.

Yes it's a insignificant patch in the eyes of PvE Savage raiders but they're not the only ones playing the game. I've seen what happens when MMO becomes too focused on the end game and it's really not that fun.

Ultimately future is unclear. Silence is annoying but also kinda unsurprising especially when taking into account last two months had frankly bigger issues than SAM outrage.

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Originally Posted by Stasya

And again. Ultimate? You think its ok to butcher class right before ultimate? Im sure there were statics that wanted to go SAM DNC comp and now SAM have 2 weeks to change to monk/nin .... Great patch btw.

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2 weeks is extremely generous if you're going for BIS, unless you're just going to monk. They could've also expanded the tome cap, unlocked savage, solved a lot of problems. Nope, didn't even do that. 6.15, savage still is weekly locked. At this point, why? We're now 6 months from savage releasing, and a month or so from Dragonsong releasing, so why is savage still locked?

i can't speak for all classes but the fact that they pushed this Burst Meta rotation, Classes like Samurai (even before kaiten removal) was copping flack. Mainly because Samurai was more or less perfect in ShB. GNB is another class that suffered. The third shell and double down have made that class unfun to play

I love the " but it's a minor patch argument ". Sure, let's go with that.

Were any of the following issues done / addressed / fixed in any of the next major minor patches between 6.1 and 6.15?

• Housing lottery error
• PvP hacking cheating
• Lewd Adventure plates
• 3 times RMT announcements
• Overtuning Blackmage PvP, addressing it and Fixing it?

Never any changes of anything nor addressed nor fixed on minor patches btw...

Or do we mean " None-PvP Job changes? ". I have not played since say ARR 1.0 and read every patch note in history to know if they ever deviated from minor patch schedules to make PvE changes to Jobs. I care not for mythical schedules that we have to assume they abide to by some unwritten gospel rules vs what they shown to be capable of doing and what they should do. Call me a cynical Heretic.

Job Changes on minor patches unreasonable to request from a small indie company called SquareSoftEnix? when they asked feedback for it? okey then, how unreasonable is it to have these issues at the very least be acknowledged like the rest of the issues fixed in those minor patches?

Ah what do we know. We're all just some unreasonable paying customers with unreasonable complaints to their product. We're doing what we we're told, go to the forums btw, and yet it's still wrong. Can't express our frustrations anywhere to get an ounce of " maybe we're going to get heard " copium, without some " stfu " attitude from the next paying customer next to us who doesn't even care about these changes that probably doesn't even affect them. Ah well. Said my piece,... again.

It's almost like the changes to SAM, are here to stay, perhaps it's time to jump on some other bandwagon job.

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Originally Posted by Stasya

Stop with this. Oh no its 6.1x patch devs cant revert SAM changes. OFC THEY CAN AND SHOULD.



Phantom rush and stuff that gives you solar/lunar nadi will be auto crit by devs logic



Yes from minor patch as 6.1 that gives no new savage tier i didnt expected major class overhaul.

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Are you new to this game? SE is very slow at making adjustments to jobs and they definitely don't make large adjustments in the middle of a content tier which right now is DSR. Expecting them to make any changes in such a small content patch such as 6.15 is simply a misjudgment on your part. Wait for 6.2 and if they don't make any changes by then, we can come to the conclusion that this is how SAM will continue going forward and decide if we want to keep playing or switch jobs. I personally will likely just go back to DRG for the next raid tier.

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Originally Posted by HolyReign

It's almost like the changes to SAM, are here to stay, perhaps it's time to jump on some other bandwagon job.

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I'm not making that statement till after 6.2. They removed hagakure in ShB and we got it back later in the expansion so its not like the chances of sam getting kaiten back is zero at this time. Its just most of us logically understood we're still in the middle of a raid tier and they are not going to make any major adjustments until the next major patch.

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Originally Posted by Kaseladen

People expected them to roll back mistakes or at least address they’ve made one. Crazy I know

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What do you expect looking at their patch history?

Healers complain for years, nothing changed, it got worse...
MNK lost its identity completely and they don´t give af.
MCH and SMN... hahahahha or BRD now?!
Housing is getting ignored for ages and now they brought just another stupif bandaid.
The content is mostly copy & paste each addon, just some new shiny animations.
Complaints about dungeons or better braindead hallways are real, but do they care? No.
New classes after got released with an "easy to go" design. (GNB,DNC,RPR,SGE...)
The list goes on...

Only the majority of tank-mains seem to be fine with their classes but DRK. How? Because they´re braindead and broken af.

Who cares about some appealing gameplay and kind of ceiling, when you´re able to YOLO all day long...

well, one less job to gear up in next tiers, and one less job to lvl in the future

whatcha gonna do, eh?

I think if these changes aren't reverted or even addressed by 6.2, I have to unsubscribe. I know I could play other jobs but I'm sorry, none of them are quite like SAM. They broke SAM and will probably come for DRG next, which is the only non-SAM DPS I can enjoy because of its aesthetic. I have my SAM glamoured to look as much like a knight as possible, and DRG is the only job that comes close to that style. It may share gear with RPR but RPR has a completely different playstyle and aesthetic, I don't like it. Until and unless FFXIV ever gets something closer to the Retribution-spec paladin from WoW, I don't have a comfortable niche outside of DRG. And if that niche gets ruined by similar changes, I have to find a new MMO to put down roots in.

I'm chiming in to say that I much prefer the new SAM compared to the old one. Kaiten just felt like 1 button too many compared to how SAM plays now. My main is MNK... And MNK is the king of having useless abilities, lol. So, to me, removing a button press that doesn't really feel great is better than having that button constantly impeding the way it plays. The devs could just do nothing or do the wrong thing, which is what happened with MNK's Anatman and Six-Sided Star.