Another Instance Housing Request Thread

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

They said it was going to be more of a personal thing so I don't imagine it would be anything other than instanced.

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Makes me wonder when the hardware/server limitations excuse will stop being a thing, as people often said that instanced housing can't be a thing due to server strain. Wouldn't the implementation of IS prove that it's completely possible, or am I missing something?

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Originally Posted by Padudu

Makes me wonder when the hardware/server limitations excuse will stop being a thing, as people often said that instanced housing can't be a thing due to server strain. Wouldn't the implementation of IS prove that it's completely possible, or am I missing something?

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I suspect they have their priorities elsewhere. They just sold a good chunk of their properties. supposedly to fund their blockchain gaming ambitions. Probably just going to let my subscription run out after the 6 months pass. Surely, some MMO out there with a better housing system wants my money.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/03/tomb...franchise.html

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Originally Posted by Padudu

I imagine there's going to be an omega amount of salt about this if Island Sanctuary turns out to be instanced lol

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Why would there be salt when we've known that from the first announcement?

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Originally Posted by ijuakos_xqwzts

I suspect they have their priorities elsewhere. They just sold a good chunk of their properties. supposedly to fund their blockchain gaming ambitions. Probably just going to let my subscription run out after the 6 months pass. Surely, some MMO out there with a better housing system wants my money.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/03/tomb...franchise.html

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There are games with better housing. The question is will you feel the rest of the game is also worth playing?

I mean I love RIFT's Dimensions. That's the housing system I would love to see here (but using FFXIV art aesthetics, of course). It addresses just about every concern that players have about housing. It might be entirely instanced but some of those instances are large enough with huge item limits (can be up to 2800) you can invite friends in and create a neighborhood together, and it's easy to find and visit Dimensions belonging to other players if they have visitor access enabled.

But the rest of the game is mediocre. Not terrible, but also not especially good. It also relies heavily on the cash shop since it's F2P and the player population is dying out. Excellent housing alone is not enough for a MMO.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Why would there be salt when we've known that from the first announcement?

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People don't read announcements, you should know that by the amount of housing lotto questions asked when it was broken :P

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Originally Posted by Padudu

Makes me wonder when the hardware/server limitations excuse will stop being a thing, as people often said that instanced housing can't be a thing due to server strain. Wouldn't the implementation of IS prove that it's completely possible, or am I missing something?

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I wonder how housing neighborhood defenders feel knowing the inside of their houses are instanced.

Plus, the neighbourhood thing is really overrated.
Let me tell you I had met more people when I had an appartement and went outside next to the retainer bell and MB for crafting than since I own a house. The wards are people empty.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

The issue with the "add more wards" crowd is that its not a sustainable way to scale a system for rising player numbers. Especially if you consider people who ONLY want a Medium or Large house.

Instanced Housing, while not as glamorous as the neighborhood system would a completely solve the issue entirely and let everyone get the house that they want.

And I really don't see why both systems can't coexist. You already can own a house, apartment and FC room at the same time. Whats one more?

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Did you only read my first sentence and just make an assumption of my entire post?

1. I'm fore Instanced Housing. +1 instanced housing.

2. My remark to more giving us wards is the known fact that Yoshi-P is completely against instanced housing because he wants his "social neighborhood housing" fiesta, hence my until they can give every paying customer that very experience, he claims to envision it to be, by having enough plots for all wishing to have one, they should just give us instanced housing as band aid, until they can actually proper bear said envisioned experience to the players.

3. In the same post I also suggested that it would be nice to give smaller plots the means to be upgraded in some fashion or comparable way, thus turning small plots desirable. To elaborate, it would simply be by giving small plots investment upgrades to give them either more floors and increase their item limit to comparable measures of Medium and Large houses. This obviously means that a Medium plot could have investment into becoming comparable to Large plot as well, similar item limit and floor increases. For the actual plot size, if there are specific limits, it could of course simply be it turning into a vertical taller small building, in a funny fashion.

4. Seems like people here on forums are ample to quickly attack someone without reading between the lines, or maybe not many know of Yoshi-P's rather bad take on housing in general? AKA him being against instanced housing because he wants the "neighborhood feels".

5. Just to emphasize +1 Instance housing. As long they(ff14 devs) can't give us all the housing experience in the fashion they(Yoshi-P) envision, with their lofty desire for social neighborhoods, they should simply give us instanced housing even if they(Yoshi-P) is completely against it.

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Originally Posted by Aossi

Was there an official reason stated as to why they have NOT used this really standard MMO solution?

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The developers designed housing to be a prestige reward and that it would be popular social spaces. In practice it was neither.

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Originally Posted by Moebious

2. My remark to more giving us wards is the known fact that Yoshi-P is completely against instanced housing because he wants his "social neighborhood housing" fiesta, ...

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I keep seeing that remark oft repeated. When was the last time he expressed that opinion? I don't recall anything about it since Shadowbringers' released. Certainly not since the pandemic started.

If they truly believed that the wards were a viable social space I would think they would have added more features to make it that much attractive for that purpose and yet... nothing. Heck if you look at the wards attached to the starter cities you can see parts that look like airship terminals. Adding subdivisions and wards further divided the population and the severe supply shortage has made it near impossible for friends to live near each other. The darker side of the shortage is that it has been an absolute gift to the RMT crowd.

I'm going to go out on a limb and believe that he understands that now and have every reason in the book to explore alternatives. Unfortunately it's a very complicated feature to do right. Their existing instancing server can barely handle the load when enough people start using housing. I was getting the "Due to extreme load you cannot leave this area" error the night round two resolved.

I want to believe that they're working on that alternative. My only hope is that CB3 tends to be very tight-lipped about new features until they know it's ready for release. My suspicion is that Sanctuaries is a field test for a new instancing system.

You really dont need a neighbor.

You only need hot sauna/pool/lake next to your instance house. That's ALL you need.

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Originally Posted by GeminiReed

The developers designed housing to be a prestige reward and that it would be popular social spaces. In practice it was neither.


I keep seeing that remark oft repeated. When was the last time he expressed that opinion? I don't recall anything about it since Shadowbringers' released. Certainly not since the pandemic started.

If they truly believed that the wards were a viable social space I would think they would have added more features to make it that much attractive for that purpose and yet... nothing. Heck if you look at the wards attached to the starter cities you can see parts that look like airship terminals. Adding subdivisions and wards further divided the population and the severe supply shortage has made it near impossible for friends to live near each other. The darker side of the shortage is that it has been an absolute gift to the RMT crowd.

I'm going to go out on a limb and believe that he understands that now and have every reason in the book to explore alternatives. Unfortunately it's a very complicated feature to do right. Their existing instancing server can barely handle the load when enough people start using housing. I was getting the "Due to extreme load you cannot leave this area" error the night round two resolved.

I want to believe that they're working on that alternative. My only hope is that CB3 tends to be very tight-lipped about new features until they know it's ready for release. My suspicion is that Sanctuaries is a field test for a new instancing system.

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That is an interesting take on Island Sanctuaries and one which I had not considered. Thanks for suggesting that. You have given me something to ponder...