NIN poison attacks in the future?

I love DoTs, although I can understand that situations where you can make full use of them are limited, and they compete for space in an ever-growing kit of skills that bloats with each new expansion. I agree that it feels bad not to have any poisons on a rogue/ninja character, because I'm so used to that in other MMOs or fantasy games. Doton would have made more sense as an AoE poison cloud, rather than some vague "I made the ground angry" magic. Trick Attack is also a rather generic-sounding move that could have easily been themed as injecting a wound-festering toxin that causes the target to take more damage from incoming attacks. Heck, make it a blow dart or something while we're at it, that'd be cool.

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

Doton would have made more sense as an AoE poison cloud, rather than some vague "I made the ground angry" magic.

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Earth—the "vague" magic is earth element ninjutsu. NIN also have wind, fire, lightning, and water ninjutsu.

Wind, fire, lightning, water, earth, poison—one of these is not like the others.

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Originally Posted by Equitable_Remedy

Earth—the "vague" magic is earth element ninjutsu. NIN also have wind, fire, lightning, and water ninjutsu.

Wind, fire, lightning, water, earth, poison—one of these is not like the others.

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Don't forget Ice, one Ninjutsu for every elemental affinity.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Rogues used to have a stance called Kiss of the Wasp.





Rogues used to have another stance called Kiss of the Viper.





Kiss of the Viper is obviously better, so all it was doing was allowing new players to do it wrong or worse, not use a stance at all. It was just a chore to turn on the stance every time you switch to Ninja or sync into roulettes, so it was eventually removed.

The effects on stuns and silences did not remain important because they quickly stopped letting stuns and silences affect bosses and removed most trash from raids except for transition phases and all tanks can interrupt these.

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I don't mind that they remove stances, but it does make me sad that jobs have lost so much flavor and identity. Off the top of my head, we've lost:

* AST: Nocturnal/Diurnal Sect.
* SCH: Eos/Selene.
* MCH: Bishop/Rook Turret.

I just wish more jobs at least attempted stuff like PLD where they reappropriated Sword Oath and Shield Oath for other mechs.

As it stands, NIN really should have more assassin flavor. Without it the mudra system makes it feel too much like a mage, which I think really does not play into a NIN job fantasy very well.

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Originally Posted by Mikey_R

Don't forget Ice

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We don't talk about Hyoton.

I loved the animations for applying the poisons. I miss them.

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Originally Posted by Equitable_Remedy

We don't talk about Hyoton.

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Kassatsu it for Hyosho Ranryu, better ice.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Because NIN is basically just Naruto.

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And now with a dash of Sasuke/Kakashi.

Can't wait to get our Nine Tailed Fox and giant Tengu thingy summons next expansion! :D

Given that they seem to keep overcompensating for Trick Attack in NIN's balance tuning, I think would be nice if we got some supportive ninjutsu that offers additional party benefits like in-combat movement speed buffs, regens, and other such things to make it like the red mage/dancer of melee jobs in terms of how much utility it offers.

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Originally Posted by Equitable_Remedy

We don't talk about Hyoton.

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I've used Hyoton before to save the day in dungeons or simply stay alive after everyone else has died until they get there but yeah it's obviously not part of your rotation.
I'd actually like to see an ice themed Ninjutsu as part of our rotation tho.

Poison would be cool too but I do like the elements focus a lot more personally.
Actually I'd like to see a combo of the elements be part of our rotation, like water/ ice ( ice = water anyways lol ) + lightning = big combo damage.
Hyosho Ranyu could also be turned into an element skill instead of uh, whatever it is.

Ice + fire could work too, quick and extreme temperature changes.
So basically water + lightning and ice + fire.

Suiton = lightning debuff, Raiton and Raiju = ice debuff, Hyosho Ranyu ( ice element ) = fire debuff.
And fire could be the big ender of the cycle.