I love SMN

Yeah, I know what you mean. This iteration of Summoner is what I wanted since I first started playing this game (Stormblood), though I enjoyed what it was up to now. FF Tactics is one of my favorite FF games, so you can imagine what I was expecting from the Summoner before now. The elemental attunement thing for your attacks certainly doesn't feel out of place; they add a different take on the Summoner that still retains its identity from previous games. My only gripe is I just hit 86 and now I'm going to hate syncing down even more. They might need to spread out some of your more impactful abilities and traits throughout the levels. I had a small problem with Carbuncle just standing there, but as someone already pointed out, half the time he isn't even on the field.

Having a lot of fun with SMN, even though ARR Summoner was my favourite.

yea, I love it as well. Its kinda hard to play lower level content as a summoner 90 since I LOVE seeing the primal summon and do it's massive attack... AHHHH!!! :) So I play blm and astro for lower level content and smn for lvl 90 content. :)

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Originally Posted by Tylorien

I'm a bit torn on this because I really want leviathan, but part of me also would really like them to changed the arcanums from specific color arcanums requiring specific primals to be summoned, to prismatic arcanums that allow you to summon your elemental primals based on your need. For example if you need a bit of movement and alot of up front damage you could do ifrit, garuda, ifrit, or if you had your elemental phase up when you just needed alot of movement garuda x3

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That is EXACTLY what we have. Once you learn a fight you choose which one to summon for the situation



You have a vast misunderstanding of the way current SMN works and the rotation of the primals.

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Originally Posted by Tylorien

My one real gripe is that I feel like either Garuda or Titan's gem abiltiies don't have a role, because titan's are basically straight upgrades over your base spells that are also instant cast, while garudas are instant cast but functionally weaker than the base spells

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1. Garuda is the highest DPS, followed by Titan, and Ifrit last.

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Originally Posted by Tylorien

which leads to me just sitting in titan attunement for as long as I can to use his spells for movement, and then right before my demi primal is back up, I'll pop garuda and then immediately cancel out of her without even spending her attunements.

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2. You should be using ALL primals AND their attunements as fast as possible and they all fit perfectly between your Demi phase with maybe a Ruin III or two.

3. You are level 80 SMN stop casting judgement on a class rework that you LITERALLY haven't played. You don't get the final augment to your attunement skills until 86. Which upgrades astral flow

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Originally Posted by Sheepona

That is EXACTLY what we have. Once you learn a fight you choose which one to summon for the situation



You have a vast misunderstanding of the way current SMN works and the rotation of the primals.



1. Garuda is the highest DPS, followed by Titan, and Ifrit last.



2. You should be using ALL primals AND their attunements as fast as possible and they all fit perfectly between your Demi phase with maybe a Ruin III or two.

3. You are level 80 SMN stop casting judgement on a class rework that you LITERALLY haven't played. You don't get the final augment to your attunement skills until 86. Which upgrades astral flow

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On that first bit I think you're slightly misunderstanding what I meant. I am aware you can use them in any order you want, what I mean is using the SAME primal 2-3 times consecutively instead of having to use all 3. Also I've played summoner pretty much exclusively since this rework went live. Just because I'm not level 90 doesn't mean I haven't played it. It just means I don't have endwalker atm.

I am aware that at level 86 I would get garuda's astral flow ability which I would obviously use after summoning her.

I never said I didn't summon garuda (obviously you're going to pop all 3 primals), or that I didn't ever use her attunements, just that doing so felt extremely situational and at times there was no reason to do so. I was specifically referring to garuda's gemshine and brilliance abilities, which have significantly lower potencies than ruin and tri-disaster even at their maximum listed upgrades, meaning you would only cast them when you need to move and aren't already on gcd. I also wasn't passing judgement, I absolutely love the rework, I was just commenting on something that felt a bit strange to me that is still in effect at max level unless there is some hidden passive that isnt listed in abilities or traits that buffs garuda.

For context, the maximum potency of ruin 3 is 310, while emerald rite is 230. This is what I was talking about. The reason that feels weird to me is because topaz rite, which is also instant cast like emerald rite, is also a straight upgrade over ruin 3. That is what I meant when I said, use garuda for the big cooldowns and sit in titan for mobility, because it only takes 2 globals to spent garudas arcanum and astral flow and titan's four attunement charges will probably last you through any mobility you need, but if you need 8 instant cast spells you'd obviously want to use all of garudas attunements too, but you don't have to consume them just because you summoned her.

Edit: It has however, since I made the original post been pointed out to me that while ER has a noticeably lower potency it also has a lower GCD, but that is bit that I hadn't noticed has nothing to do with my character level and more to do with not being prompted to look at the gcd :P That knowledge does not make it feel less weird though, at least by much. It's not really something I felt enough to notice whenever I'd cast the spell.

Did a roulette the other day and must say summoner feels terrible at low levels. 50 was basically press a button doesn't seem to do anything (Aethercharge) and then spam ruin, carbuncle is just there i guess. You don't even get Phoenix until level 80 now. big oof.
The actual summon Titan/Garuda/Ifrit needs to happen much sooner, the 86 ability needs to be in much sooner as well.

Agreed, from level 80 - 90 Summoner feels really fun to me.

Can’t comment on how it feels at lower levels but I can imagine it’d feel very bare without demis or astral flows.

Only kind-of criticism I’d still give is that Rekindle and Everlasting Flight are super useful but it’s available in such a short and limited window that it’s hard for it not to end up as overhealing. And of course I have to mention Ruin IV. I love the skill since it looks amazing and it’s great that it’s an AoE now, but with how much mobility you get from Gemshine/Brilliance attacks the proc just ends up sitting there forgotten about. It feels very disconnected from everything else in the skill set. Maybe if they don’t want to make it oGCD they could give it charges again so at least you could save them up for the few openings you do get to use it

Anybody else think Phoenix is just a lame summon in general? I'd rather be able to summon Odin and have him bust out a zantetsuken FF5 style or something. We already have Garuda for our birb.

That said, new SMN is very pleasing to look at and easy to play. I like it but I'm curious to see where it goes in the future.

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Originally Posted by meowmaou

Anybody else think Phoenix is just a lame summon in general? I'd rather be able to summon Odin and have him bust out a zantetsuken FF5 style or something. We already have Garuda for our birb.

That said, new SMN is very pleasing to look at and easy to play. I like it but I'm curious to see where it goes in the future.

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I don't. I quiet enjoy Phoenix, both looks and skillset. I have used the heal multiple times to save someone with.
Not that I wouldn't want to see an Odin summon to just obliterate something. I just think Summoner is lacking in many beneficial utility spells and would rather not give up another for a melee Bahamut.

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Originally Posted by Daemonfaust

Its rare seeing forum posts about people liking anything on these forums lol..

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Because that’s not what the forums are for, wanna echo chamber of lies and “everything is perfect” as your bubble permits? Go to reddit. I find these posts to be a waste of time. Especially considering how huge the debate is for SMN right now. Gives me a apologist #ThankyouGamefreak Vibe