New summoner is unacceptable

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Originally Posted by Saviin

You do you, though.

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i always have and i always will

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Originally Posted by HyperSMB

Not everything needs 50 systems, buttons or timers to track. Having variety in COMPLEXITY is important. The same way as having a variety in DIFFICULTY of encounters needs to be varied.

I am glad new SMN is the way it is.

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But you had Red Mage for this? There was no need for SMN to be nerfed like it was when both MCH and RDM already existed for people who wanted a simple job or a simple caster job.

Now instead of having three jobs with varying skill levels and playstyles for the casters we have Easy Black Mage, Black Mage, and RDM is easy but still has its own style for now.

6.0 Summoner (especially before level 86) = 50 Shades of Ruin.

Job is so boring without those Favors. I was going to give it the benefit of the doubt but it is boring. 86 levels of the exact same Ruin spam. You don't get the elemental versions of Ruin until 72 and you don't get the AoE versions until level 82. Summoner is going to be amongst the most boring jobs to play if you so dare get synced down to level 85 or lower.

Im going nuts waiting to get home and try it. I truly believe the job was way too complicated for most. I do hope (and expect) it isn't as simple as some are saying. Im sure its fine.

A huge improvement over the old way where you had a ton of abilities that clogged up the hotbar and didn't work well together.

I've been a Summoner main since the very beginning and I honestly really quite enjoy its new self. Its got a good foundation that they can finally build off. Also, it actually feels like a Summoner to me now.

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Originally Posted by NaesakiAshwell

I've been a Summoner main since the very beginning and I honestly really quite enjoy its new self. Its got a good foundation that they can finally build off. Also, it actually feels like a Summoner to me now.

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I feel like a broken record when I have to keep saying this. BUT IT WILL NOT BE BUILT OFF OF. People constantly said the same shit about ShB MCH, ShB DRK, and Healers since SB, but if anything they've only taken away or barely changed anything from these classes rather than built off of them.

WHAT YOU SEE NOW IS WHAT YOU'RE STUCK WITH, FOR GOOD. Unless there's a masssive shift in dev philosophy by the FFXIV team or the JP side throws massive shitfit on par with the male viera stuff. It's not a base to be built off of, it's the full damn job and the "mch" of casters.

I miss dots... Again...

I don't. They weren't fun. Just annoying.

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Originally Posted by Laphicet

I feel like a broken record when I have to keep saying this. BUT IT WILL NOT BE BUILT OFF OF. People constantly said the same shit about ShB MCH, ShB DRK, and Healers since SB, but if anything they've only taken away or barely changed anything from these classes rather than built off of them.

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They probably won't build off it, that doesn't mean it's not a good foundation to build off of.

Also, unlike MCH, DRK and the Healers, providing a new foundation to build off of was one of the reasons cited by the devs for the SMN rework.