Why was my thread about healer dps deleted?

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

Case in point : I would never be so arrogant as to say that "sylphies" are right, only that that are not necessarily wrong.

The problem are those who can't tell the difference between the two and leap straight to defense mode.

Thanks for the demonstration.

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How are they not wrong? The Slyphie mindset is, "I want to heal and only heal, and if you ask me to do more I'm gonna throw a fit!" when the game doesn't support such a play style.

Sure, they can only heal, but they're handicapping both themselves and their team so badly it comes off as being inconsiderate.

But of course, you already know that with how we(and what feels like the entire forum at this point) have had this back and forth before. Multiple. Times.

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Originally Posted by Jonathan_Clover

How are they not wrong? The Slyphie mindset is, "I want to heal and only heal, and if you ask me to do more I'm gonna throw a fit!" when the game doesn't support such a play style.

Sure, they can only heal, but they're handicapping both themselves and their team so badly it comes off as being inconsiderate.

But of course, you already know that with how we(and what feels like the entire forum at this point) have had this back and forth before. Multiple. Times.

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What's wrong is your mindset. The first part is right, "I want to heal and only heal" but the second part is purely childish scorn. Dps as a healer is fine, but an over emphasis is something that should be avoided. It is understood that as things are now, there is no reason not to dps if and when you can, but DEMANDING it of others is the problem. As is requesting SE to make it further required and more complicated purely for more DISTRACTING gameplay.

As I've said multiple times, what's fun for some may not be for others. Sometimes it's even impossible for others. And the more it becomes emphasized, the more it becomes required, the less we will see casual healers.

You already think so little of healers who don't dps. What if it's a preteen, or a 78 great grandmother playing her first MMO, or a disabled person. You want them to be scared away from content they have no trouble healing but can't stand having to multitask for to be spared ridicule?

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Originally Posted by lisaa

It's toxic because it differed from the rest of this forum? Or because you think because I have high parses I have to love dpsing?

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Obviously. 99's involve both healers coordinating to heal with the least amount of GCD's, you map the entire fight around efficient use of every free resource in order to push as many Malefics out as possible. It's just not something a Sylphie does, you need a dps mindset. Nor does someone who finds that gameplay stressful and hates it go on to clear Savage bosses hundreds of times as healer, then move on to Ultimate. I don't even need to explain that really, we know it, you know it, it's obvious.

The trolling is getting old. Like many trolls you pushed some buttons, got your entertainment, got called out and now you're overdoing it. There's nothing to achieve or gain here anymore, except more deleted threads and harsh comments. Let it go.

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

What's wrong is your mindset. The first part is right, "I want to heal and only heal" but the second part is purely childish scorn. Dps as a healer is fine, but an over emphasis is something that should be avoided. It is understood that as things are now, there is no reason not to dps if and when you can, but DEMANDING it of others is the problem. As is requesting SE to make it further required and more complicated purely for more DISTRACTING gameplay.

As I've said multiple times, what's fun for some may not be for others. Sometimes it's even impossible for others. And the more it becomes emphasized, the more it becomes required, the less we will see casual healers.

You already think so little of healers who don't dps. What if it's a preteen, or a 78 great grandmother playing her first MMO, or a disabled person. You want them to be scared away from content they have no trouble healing but can't stand having to multitask for to be spared ridicule?

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Good thing healer DPS is now only 1 button. :^)
If your examples can heal content with no trouble, they can push 1 more button to contribute in a more meaningful manner.
Lol.

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Originally Posted by Jonathan_Clover

Good thing healer DPS is now only 1 button. :^)
If your examples can heal content with no trouble, they can push 1 more button to contribute in a more meaningful manner.
Lol.

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Except that no healer has only one button for dps and I cannot fathom how that trope still exists to this day. Healers have several options for dps, though yes, they do cast one spell far more often than others. Whenever I read "one button for dps" however, my eyes do a vertical 360

My point being that healer dps is already more involved that many seem willing to admit. WHM for example. Multidotting, an AoE stun, a VERY large AoE attack of significant damage, and a large single - target charged attack that everyone seems to somehow forget.

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Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

Tell me, do you count Macrocosmos as a Heal or a DPS skill?

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Noooo, you shouldn't point that out!!

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

You already think so little of healers who don't dps. What if it's a preteen,

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Remind me again what the age rating on this game is? Given what goes on in certain servers and locales, don't you think there's a bigger issue with such a young child playing a mature fantasy game than their healer DPS? :rolleyes:

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or a 78 great grandmother playing her first MMO

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One of my old workmates who retired some 10 years ago still plays WoW and FFXIV competently to this day. Granted it's likely much harder at that sort of age to pick up a new game, but then the same could be said of literally most of the games out there. This is where FFXIV's net ends and Animal Crossing's begins tbh. Suggesting neutering the experience just because there's a small chance a 78 year old first time gamer grandmother might try and pick it up is just reaching to absurd lengths.

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or a disabled person.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F_wrXVAFUg

26.5 APM. With his feet.

You're not defending those with disabilities. You're just trying to stand up for those that can't be bothered to even try.

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You want them to be scared away from content they have no trouble healing but can't stand having to multitask for to be spared ridicule?

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Here's a little secret tip. People that are either worried about these sorts of issues or are concerned that they won't be able to play to a high enough standard to cope with large pulls or whatnot can simply say as much at the start of a duty. At least it my personal experience, when someone has been upfront about any issues, the rest of the group has been absolutely fine with accommodating them. It's only when they just stay silent and allow people to either jump to conclusions or act in denial of any issues that it usually starts to turn sour.

But then that also falls under 'making an effort' doesn't it.

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

You already think so little of healers who don't dps. What if it's a preteen, or a 78 great grandmother playing her first MMO, or a disabled person. You want them to be scared away from content they have no trouble healing but can't stand having to multitask for to be spared ridicule?

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They should not be ridiculed.

They're still not using their entire toolkit. If they can't, or don't know how, that's fine.

But this conversation is about people who don't use their tools because they choose not to.

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

What's wrong is your mindset. The first part is right, "I want to heal and only heal" but the second part is purely childish scorn. Dps as a healer is fine, but an over emphasis is something that should be avoided. It is understood that as things are now, there is no reason not to dps if and when you can, but DEMANDING it of others is the problem. As is requesting SE to make it further required and more complicated purely for more DISTRACTING gameplay.

As I've said multiple times, what's fun for some may not be for others. Sometimes it's even impossible for others. And the more it becomes emphasized, the more it becomes required, the less we will see casual healers.

You already think so little of healers who don't dps. What if it's a preteen, or a 78 great grandmother playing her first MMO, or a disabled person. You want them to be scared away from content they have no trouble healing but can't stand having to multitask for to be spared ridicule?

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Let us be real healer dps does not require any real thought or effort it is mostly 1 button spam while keeping a dot up. If someone cannot handle that then they have a lot more to worry about, and properly should not be running content with random strangers. I wish people would stop defending a lack of effort, any barrier can be overcame just need to work for it. Trying to defend or create a safe space for people to not try is not rising them up, it is keeping them down.

It probably got deleted because you used data gained using third-party software. :B