Raising healing requirements for newer content alone won't also improve older content

Just make vulnerability debuffs more prevalent throughout the game's dungeons , both in boss fights, such as unavoidable damage granting vuln stacks too, and from generic trash. Gear will still be just as relevant, but mass pulling will be riskier and healers will definitely be more distracted.

Everyone happier (except maybe tanks trying to fight in gear 20 levels below their current level and the healers trying to keep them alive in those cases) and not a single class modified.

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Just make vulnerability debuffs more prevalent throughout the game's dungeons , both in boss fights, such as unavoidable damage granting vuln stacks too, and from generic trash. Gear will still be just as relevant, but mass pulling will be riskier and healers will definitely be more distracted.

Everyone happier (except maybe tanks trying to fight in gear 20 levels below their current level and the healers trying to keep them alive in those cases) and not a single class modified.

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If one extra sprout is turned off of healing by a wipe, YoshiP will say it's not worth it.

We can't even get consistently damaging Savage content; do you think that work will be done to make leveling dungeons difficult? Remember, everyone needs to clear them to complete the MSQ.

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I’d be absolutely cool with this as an alternative route to go down. Even going the route of AV’s opening room where there’s just far too much trash to handle in one pull and adds are legitimately dangerous would be a great step towards making dungeons more engaging again.

SE seemed to loose the courage to make dungeons even remotely challenging by design after Pharos Sirius though. A big shame in my eyes =/

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I don't get it. Everything you said is kinda true but none of it contradicts my points?



Yes. But not to the extreme where you have to constantly spam healing spells like in WoW. Please don't assume you're the only person that has played the most popular MMO for the past 15 years.



Yes. And do you think that is a good design? In a role playing game, you never see any holy/disc priest or resto druid outside of instances in the open world? If I want to play a disc priest. Then I'll play the disc priest. I do not want to be forced into Shadow just so that I can function independently.

We have a close example of it in 14. Imagine that you're a SCH main but you can only play summoner for MSQ/Fate/Sidequesting/Bozja because healing classes deal almost less than 10% of DPS damage. Even assuming the gears are shared, that is terrible design. Some people play for class aesthetics, fantasies etc. and they need to be respected. Blizzard certainly does not if you'd look at how different the gameplay/aesthetic is between those "specs" that are essentially just different classes with a few shared abilities.



Again I've stated that ffxiv healers have their own problems, namely no real DPS rotation, but the concept of hybrid healer is objectively superior because it offers more gameplay potential to us. RPG games are not just about instanced raids/dungeons. Every class needs offensive capabilities in a world where the basic gameplay for every character is to kill monsters. "Worst" case if healers get more DPS abilities in the future, you're welcome to just... not use them?

Please don't assume most of us never played WoW healers. I did, and they sucked.



Sure. I would rather juggle between healing and a semi DPS rotation, why not make that an option? SGE is a good step but it's still too conservative in terms of DPS abilities.

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Let's just agree to disagree. I would rather have engaging healing with a side of DPS than staring bored while I glare glare glare glare glare glare glare dia glare glare... And I would rather level using a full offspec toolkit in open world content than being forced to use a healing kit of glare and dia to quest.

You're just hating to hate, and it's sad.

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I’d be absolutely cool with this as an alternative route to go down. Even going the route of AV’s opening room where there’s just far too much trash to handle in one pull and adds are legitimately dangerous would be a great step towards making dungeons more engaging again.

SE seemed to loose the courage to make dungeons even remotely challenging by design after Pharos Sirius though. A big shame in my eyes =/

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Aurum Vale, Pharos Sirius, Steps of Faith, Shinryu, allowing very easy mode on scripted MSQ fights.

Any time the majority of the playerbase faces a modicum of difficulty they whine to no end.

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Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.

WoW expects basic competence. FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it.

Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.

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This is great.

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Which is why I am in favor of nerfing max item level. Not just for ARR content, but across the board. If done, this would help healers a bit (in my opinion).

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Which is why I am in favor of nerfing max item level. Not just for ARR content, but across the board. If done, this would help healers a bit (in my opinion).

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That's still not going to resolve repetition issues with single-player content like Main Scenario quests though.

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Aurum Vale, Pharos Sirius, Steps of Faith, Shinryu, allowing very easy mode on scripted MSQ fights.

Any time the majority of the playerbase faces a modicum of difficulty they whine to no end.

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And hence we always arrive at this point where as healers we ask for better DPS options. It doesn't make anything harder if you don't want it to. Every other solution will make healing harder, which I am happy for and would prefer before the balance is way off.

Given their cracking down on players telling other players how they should play and putting down other players, I feel like the line "but some people expect healers to DPS and put that pressure on them" shouldn't apply anymore. And I don't think attitudes should affect job design. I'm happy letting people play the job the way they like as long as they keep the party alive best they can. Though my expectation for DPS will be at higher end content. But this is because DPS checks are tighter and enrage timers are a thing.

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That's still not going to resolve repetition issues with single-player content like Main Scenario quests though.

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Other games do it with difficulty sliders. And we already have them. Problem is that normal actually is very easy. And then there is easy and very easy (never tried it but I can only imagine lol). Give us hard and very hard and tie an achievement to it. Done. The PotD treatment, basically.