Tornado or Quake?

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Originally Posted by Skies

Actually THM doesn't have all the Umbral elements, more like 2/3rds of them.. What was it... It's either Lightning or Ice that's actually an Astral element.
I remember a friend of mine told me an easy way to recognize which ones were Astral and which were Umbral. The Astral ones could be put into a bottle and the Umbral ones couldn't (so it'd be... Water, Earth and Ice that are Astral and Wind, Lightning and Fire that are Umbral)

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You switched astral and umbral there.
Wind, Lightning, and Fire are Astral.
Water, Earth, and Ice are Umbral.

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Originally Posted by Sol_Aureus

You switched astral and umbral there.
Wind, Lightning, and Fire are Astral.
Water, Earth, and Ice are Umbral.

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Aha, thank you. I knew I had the 'put in a bottle' thing right but I couldn't remember for the life of me which were Astral and Umbral :D
Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Babydoll

Yeah we definatley need reraise to cast on ourselves and other PT member for PVP. Another thing is like a 5 sec invincible skill for whm for PVP =D whm always the first to go down..and first one targeted ; ;

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We're supposed to get more instant-cast and general use debuff spells on mages sometime around 2.0 when we get PvP so I'm expecting stuff that Yoshi-P mentioned like Bind/Charm etc. Reraise would make non-PVP fights too easy, especially if we could cast it on others, and I don't think its a good idea to give one ability to PVP that you won't get outside of it or vice versa.

@Brannigan: I'm kinda hoping that CNJ splits off to a nuking class similar to Elementalist from the Tactics Advance games, nukes coupled with utility debuffs. It would also be nice if we could reverse-combo Aerora > Aero for example to make Aero and its DoT effect or Stone's Magic Evasion down AoE.

I'd rather have a stacking set of DoT spells.

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Originally Posted by Brannigan

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Devout

Tornado as white magic. Stop your retarded crusade please mr. mage.

Anyway it'd be cool if Tornado was a high level conjurer spell if/when the level cap is raised. It could be a cool crowd control/damage hybrid possibly like Estellios suggested. Of course there's still Aeroga/Stonega but the blizzard spell skipped a line so why not this one? WHMs already do a lot of nuking in parties if things are going well so it'd be cool to see them get some growth in that department.

edit: or, hell, why not a Devout job? Tornado, Aeroga, Stonega, Quake, Reflect. Go!

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A shaman makes more sense to have tornado than white mage itself. It's description says it's also known as Shaman. What we are talking about Conjurer/White mage, not shamans.

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Originally Posted by Deifact

Heh I think Jinrya wants this to be ffxi-2, and I was actually sceptical at first myself, but i think splitting the elements works.

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Also I hated FFXI, I could careless for a XI-2. I want variety with one job I like playing as not always resorting to lightning, and sometimes fire.