Here's the thing.
The movement component of that mitigation buff will never be used for movement unless they remove ED. If ED is still a thing, there's no way anyone in their right mind would waste a non-resource mitigation tool to increase the party's movement. Just none, it would be straight-up bad play unless it so happened that you wanted mitigation + movement for something (very very limited scenario imo). Edit: And if we decide on the fly to swap the mitigation out for something else it'll make for very weird runs where the speed buff is actually a hindrance because the party doesn't know when to expect it
Now if they remove ED on the other hand, we'll have so many tools that chances are SCHs will try and maximize the movement portion because they won't need the mitigation. The thing is, if ED gets removed and there are no major overhauls (which they said there weren't, only tweaks) then the job is just dead.
SCH's gameplay identity was basically about:
- Healing off the gcd with the fairy
- Melee positioning when optimizing
- Carefully mapping out your heals to bundle healing into as few ruin double-weave windows as possible. Carefully timing them with movement windows, etc. etc.
- Deciding when to sacrifice healing for DPS with ED
So removing ED basically seals the deal on removing all of SCH's gameplay identity... Since you know.. We already know we lost all those other points.
So to get back on topic. This movement skill is lose-lose.
Sage on the other hand is getting almost all of the above. Which is.. surprising? I'm not sure if this is the goal but if sage's ceiling is a little higher, maybe they intended for SCH mains to migrate to sage and left SCH as the "beginner friendly" shield healer.
Scholar speed boost isn't as bad as it looks
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09-23-2021, 10:46 AMEaMett
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09-23-2021, 11:12 AMMindiori
I wouldn't describe SCH as 'beginner friendly', more the job you play if you've had a full lobotomy and can barely operate a computer or console. Fair credit to the community in its optimism but the writing is on the wall after all these years. Better prepare for that one button tendonitis.
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09-23-2021, 11:58 AMGeminaIf there was a job that came close to SCH for having a lackluster showcase, it was SAM. I gave it a C-. That's not because of Reaper though. SAM just isn't a very flashy job. Those who don't know much about the job won't notice things like the SAM getting a Sen with one GCD without using Meikyo; using Meikyo twice in less than a minute, and Tsubame being used after each Iaijutsu except Higanbana. Double Iaijutsu is what wowed SAM mains for the ShB abilities showcase, so seeing it again in EW is kind of "meh"; and if we're getting multiple charges of Meikyo and Tsubame, then it is quite honestly a very lazy way to increase SAMs damage output.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nethereal
As for SCH, the showcase was an insult. Totally a kick in the face for SCH mains, and this is coming from someone who has defended the devs and their decisions with the direction they have taken SCH the past couple of expansions. Their comment of not being sure what SCH needed only rubbed salt into the wound. Those trying to make something out of their speed boost are taking heavy doses of copium. Believe it or not; it actually would have been better if we were still wondering what that ability does. It would even be better if it was advertised as a mitigation tool that also makes you faster instead of the other way around. -
09-23-2021, 01:09 PMShurrikhanI certainly hope so (or at least, for a push towards further depth and less direct interactions or opportunities in general), but unless they give at least one or two other jobs a solution to those enemies (not necessarily the same solution; even, say, TBN might be sufficient for preventing a slight bit of damage and an accordant debuff or knockback), players would quickly condemn the skill as contextually compulsory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Minako_Yuki
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09-23-2021, 01:17 PMKDSilver
They could at least bring back Fey Wind to that skill.
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09-23-2021, 02:13 PMGeminaMaking it a movement skill + mitigation + haste would potentially break SCH, which is what I think they are trying avoid. It is doubtful that Fey Wind as we knew it will ever return, and I would wager that if a SCH rework comes that pet commands will go away. I think they stripped SMN of being a true pet job, and that will likely be the fate for SCH as well in order to eliminate the ghosting/delay issues. They can't get rid of Lily as she is heavily integrated into SCH lore, so they are going to have to be creative here.Quote:
Originally Posted by KDSilver
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09-23-2021, 04:24 PMLaylaTsarraI agree. Another player should not be able to control my movement speed and especially when it's unexpected. Lost Sprint is already a joke and I've personally left parties where the user refused to stop using it constantly in DR. Have to laugh when they turn it on between bosses where there are traps and the movement speed results in deaths due to out running those using Lost Perception to find the traps.Quote:
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09-23-2021, 05:24 PMLaurenYou'd be surprised how oddly scary, insanely defensive and completely bonkers this community can be.Quote:
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Nothing is either good enough or everything is perfect and how dare you criticize!?
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09-23-2021, 05:44 PMCaptainLagbeardThey should just bring Selene back as a whole.Quote:
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09-23-2021, 09:29 PMSotarisOn reddit and discord sure. I don't see that often here, but I suppose that sort of disussion generally occurs in the job categories and not General Discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lauren